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Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Kasper » Thu 21 Oct 2010 20:32

Okay, so according to the Wai theory a swollen face is caused by:
1. dirty protein
2.too much protein
3. (too much) sodium (in one time)
4. too much sugar in one time

Is this right ?

And acne is caused by much sebum + swollen face.

What I don't understand is that, there are people who eat much dirty protein but still don't get any water retention?
How is that possible?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby RRM » Sun 24 Oct 2010 16:35

Kasper wrote:Okay, so according to the Wai theory a swollen face is caused by:
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4. too much sugar in one time
No, as in general the blood sugar level is quite strictly regulated (unless its not, of course)
What I don't understand is that, there are people who eat much dirty protein but still don't get any water retention?
What makes you think so?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Kasper » Wed 27 Oct 2010 02:13

What makes you think so?
Well,
Almost nobody is eating 100% raw.
Even people who think they eat 100% raw mostly blend and so are consuming dirty protein.

But if I look around, many people don't have any water retention at all.

Concluding, many people eat dirty protein, but don't have water retention in the face.
No, as in general the blood sugar level is quite strictly regulated (unless its not, of course)
?? I though I've read somewhere that we have to add olive oil, to preven acne?

But does high blood sugar levels cause acne ?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Oscar » Wed 27 Oct 2010 11:37

Actually most people retain water, we're just not used to noticing it. Of course we don't have many non-retainers to compare with. ;)
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby RRM » Wed 27 Oct 2010 16:40

Kasper wrote:if I look around, many people don't have any water retention at all.
Maybe you can copy a few pictures of people on the internet that dont have water retention?
I though I've read somewhere that we have to add olive oil, to prevent acne?
Its to slow down the glucose absorption rate and to make the blood sugar last longer.
And also to prevent acid burn / reflux.
But does high blood sugar levels cause acne ?
Only in comparison to too low blood sugar levels, as undereating has 'anti-anabolic' effects
regarding hormones.
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Kookaburra » Fri 29 Oct 2010 06:28

RRM wrote:
Kasper wrote:But does high blood sugar levels cause acne ?
Only in comparison to too low blood sugar levels, as undereating has 'anti-anabolic' effects
regarding hormones.
Huh?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby RRM » Sun 31 Oct 2010 20:06

Kookaburra wrote:Huh?
In general, the more anabolic your hormone balance, the more acne prone.
Though high sugar vs low sugar reflects an 'anabolic state',
its really nothing compared to the effects of the sex hormones.
An example: though im extremely acne prone, I can perfectly tolerate continuous high sugar levels
without getting a single pimple.
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Kasper » Sun 28 Nov 2010 12:24

Maybe you can copy a few pictures of people on the internet that dont have water retention?
Well, this guy has a lot less water retention than I when I eat 'normal':

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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby RRM » Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:03

Well, he has some water retention just below the cheeks.
I know its not much but if he wasnt smiling it would show a little more.
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Kasper » Thu 02 Dec 2010 02:19

But do you have any idea why some people get far more water retention from dirty protein etc. than others ?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby panacea » Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:30

Yeah! what causes water retention and why? is it because water binds to 'nasty stuff' to keep it dilute? and if you dont ingest 'enemies' then you dont need water to dilute them? lol
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby CSIV » Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:37

panacea wrote:Yeah! what causes water retention and why? is it because water binds to 'nasty stuff' to keep it dilute? and if you dont ingest 'enemies' then you dont need water to dilute them? lol
I think it's because of osimosis "laws." The dirty protein (or salt for a shorter period of time) ends up in the skin making the skin more... lets say "concentrated". Then, water will be attracted into the skin to balance out the concentrations.

Also, how can you guys see the water retention? I may not be paying enough attention, but I don't see any difference lol
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby panacea » Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:40

so for people with water retention, would taking the rare amino acid supplements (phenylene and the meth one I think) reduce dirty protein and therefore water retention?
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby Oscar » Thu 02 Dec 2010 13:38

If you stop ingesting 'dirty' protein, the water retention will disappear pretty quickly.
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Re: Swollen face/water retention/edema

Postby RRM » Fri 03 Dec 2010 16:42

Kasper wrote:But do you have any idea why some people get far more water retention from dirty protein etc. than others ?
Yes, individual differences.
Besides fluctuating, hormone levels differ per person.
Also the permeabiility of the intestinal mucosa is individually different,
as is the capacity to get rid of 'dirty' protein and deport excess salts.
So, all aspects involved in water retention are individually different.
The same goes for the production of sebum. Thats why some people have a bad diet and a beautiful skin.
CSIV wrote: I think it's because of osimosis "laws."
Exactly.
Also, how can you guys see the water retention?
Getting used to the mirror reflection that says "no water retention".
The longer you are on this diet, the more you will notice the differenece naturaly.
panacea wrote:so for people with water retention, would taking the rare amino acid supplements (phenylene and the meth one I think) reduce dirty protein and therefore water retention?
It would not reduce dirty protein, it may only reduce specific amino acid levels.
Consuming relatively low quality protein, the levels of specific amino acids will be elevated.
Taking methionine and phenylalanine will enable utilization of some of those 'redundant' amino acids,
and somewhat level various amino acid levels.
This will reduce (raw protein caused) water retention to some extend.

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