Candida, IL & biotin

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Re: Interleukins and Candida

Postby RRM » Mon 25 Jun 2012 18:02

Kasper wrote:I want to do everything I think makes sense to cure my candida.
I understand, but reading these various studies, its clearly that very different results are obtained.
It may be that your experiment will stimulate growth of your candida, or even cause overgrowth of other fungi.
I hope that you understand that what you will be doing is an experiment that is not without risks.
Anyway, it will be interesting, so please keep us informed!
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby dime » Wed 27 Jun 2012 14:17

But is it possible to get the levels of 10ng bioting naturally, via food only? Or is this something measured only in people that supplement it?
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby Kasper » Wed 27 Jun 2012 14:27

I don't think it's possible by food.

Width 1200 mcg, people get 5 ng/mL after 14 days.
But even 1200 mcg is not possible by food I guess.
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby dime » Wed 27 Jun 2012 16:40

So such levels are something that has never been encountered throughout our evolution, until 50 years ago (or so) when biotin was isolated.
I'm just concerned, because it's a dose your body has never been exposed to and we have no clue what the short/long-term effects are.

When it comes to official drugs, they go through a bunch of test phases until they are approved for use, and usually it's very clear what are the effects, side effects, interactions, etc.
You can say they are artificial chemicals, etc, but in this sense biotin is too. And we don't know anything besides anecdotal evidence from people on the internet.
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby Kasper » Wed 27 Jun 2012 17:55

It is not that we don't know anything. The reason there is no upper limit for biotin, is because there are no adverse effects found from taking large dosages.

"No biotin toxicity has been reported in individuals supplemented with as much as 200 mg orally or 20 mg intravenously per day."
http://www.crnusa.org/safetypdfs/014CRN ... Biotin.pdf

And for dosages around 9-16 mg, there have been some studies, which show it helps for diabetes and other illnesses.
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/12/1/73.pdf
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby dime » Wed 27 Jun 2012 22:52

Ok at least we know it's highly unlikely to overdose :)
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby RRM » Tue 03 Jul 2012 15:53

We dont know that.
No biotin toxicity has been reported.
This may mean:
1) that not enough (long term) research has been done.
2) that adverse effects other than toxicity may very well be the result

You are consistently hasty in adopting supplementation regimes, simply assuming there will be no adverse reactions whatsoever.
I dont think that is wise.
Just an example: some fungi may thrive on biotin, while others dont,
so that supplementary biotin will have an imbalancing effect.
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby Kasper » Tue 03 Jul 2012 23:48

You are consistently hasty in adopting supplementation regimes, simply assuming there will be no adverse reactions whatsoever.
I dont think that is wise.
If you have a better plan curing candida, I'm all ear.

I don't simply assume there are no adverse effects. I hope/think there are no adverse effects.
If there were real bad averse effects, people would have noticed I think (in those studies/or in the internet).
But maybe not, maybe people die when taking 10 years of biotin supplementation for some totally unexpected reason.
Future will tell us.

I like to be a little bit experimental. I'm a person who burns his fingers, before learning how to make a fire.
But I rather burn my fingers, than being too afraid to learn something new.
You are consistently hasty in adopting supplementation regimes
Do you mean width consistently, biotin and probiotics ?
I don't think it is hasty tough, maybe it looks like that, but I've done my research for quite some time.
But as I said already, waiting for a regime which is proven to have 100% no adverse effects, and 100% curing chance of candida, is also not a very wise option.
Will have some very bad adverse effects in the meantime: candida
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby RRM » Wed 04 Jul 2012 09:05

Kasper wrote:maybe people die when taking 10 years of biotin supplementation for some totally unexpected reason.
There are all kind of discomforts between perfect health and death.
Studies did show that fungi may thrive on biotin.
So, it may be that you end up with a gut flora more imbalanced than before.

What symptoms do you have now, attributed to candida?
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby Kasper » Thu 05 Jul 2012 18:46

Studies did show that fungi may thrive on biotin.
So, it may be that you end up with a gut flora more imbalanced than before.
This means that there "may be some risk" of getting an imbalanced gut flora.
So additional research into the (long-term) effects on biotin supplementation needs to be conducted.
It has not been proven yet, and has to be properly researched first.

In the meantime, it's unconvincing speculation.
You could find a thousand factors where fungals may trive on.

For example, what about excessieve sugar consumption ?
You could say that as long as you keep blood glucose level in the normal range, it won't affect you negatively (or only positively).
But that doesn't mean that before the sugar end up as glucose in the blood, it could not affect fungal growth.
Like, in your mouth? your gut flora ?

Studies did show that fungi may thrive on sugar (as on glucose and fructose).
So, it may be that you end up with a gut flora more imbalanced than before.

Should one therefore not consume sugar ?
Just because fungi may thrive on sugar ?
What symptoms do you have now, attributed to candida?
I'm not sure, I think white tongue, feet fungus, nail fungus.

If I check the candida symptom list:
sinus inflammation, inability to think clearly or concentrate (without medicines), diarrhea, mood swings, sensitivity to fragrances and/or other chemicals, indigestion, itching
to name a few...
most go away if reach CP40 or higher, but it is really difficult to stay at CP40
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Re: Candida, IL & biotin

Postby RRM » Fri 06 Jul 2012 17:57

Kasper wrote: In the meantime, it's unconvincing speculation.
You could find a thousand factors where fungals may trive on.
Exactly.
Thats why i think its unwise to experiment with pharmaceutical dosages of biotin.

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