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Why not use a tryptophan supplement with low serotonin production factor foods? I guess because it is cooked and combined with other stuff, but what about synthetic tryptophan? Why are brazil nut's protein the best for us but it has low serotonin production factor? Thanks.
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Joe wrote:Why not use a tryptophan supplement with low serotonin production factor foods?
Because its not just the availability of tryptophan,
but also the presence of factors that inhibit the production of serotonin,
such as
- beta-carbolines from cooked foods
- leucine (an amino acid)
- phenylalanine (also an amino acid)
and they are all abundantly present in (cooked) low spf foods,
so that supplementing tryptophan alone does not help,
as the inhibiting factors are still there.
Why are brazil nut's protein the best for us but it has low serotonin production factor? Thanks.
They are very good for us regarding producing new body protein from dietary protein.
But, as you pointed out, they are not good regarding the spf.
Thats just the way it is; some foods are good for this, but not for that.
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So if increasing tryptophan wouldn't matter, why put tryptophan in the spf equation? Shouldn't spf then be calculated by only considering how much phenylalanine and leucine a food has?

Would it be good to eat a high spf food even though it's cooked if one is depressed? Thanks.
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Joe wrote:So if increasing tryptophan wouldn't matter, why put tryptophan in the spf equation? Shouldn't spf then be calculated by only considering how much phenylalanine and leucine a food has?
Of course the amount of tryptophan matters,
but if the inhibiting factors are powerful, then the amount of tryptophan makes only little difference,
as then the high presence of Phe and Leu is the limiting factor.
If there is relatively little Phe and Leu present,
then the amount of tryptophan is of much greater influence.
Would it be good to eat a high spf food even though it's cooked if one is depressed? Thanks.
Hardly, because then the beta-carbolines are the limiting factor,
inhibting the production of serotonin, even if much tryptophan is present.
Sufficient good cholesterol (raw egg yolks mixed in a sauce or juice) is another condition,
required to activate serotonin receptors.
The latter is not related to the SPF, and therefore more effective when one eats cooked foods,
even though beta-carbolines also have an adverse influence here.
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I started this diet 5 days ago and for the first three days I had times where my heartrate would increase and I would have lower energy which I think is because of the increase in heartrate. For two days now it's turned into increased heartrate and lower energy all day. Any idea why? I have 300-400 carbs a day. Thanks.
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The heartrate increases and you may start sweating,
feeling weak, and as if you have a fever?
Thats due to a lack of glucose in the blood.
You are simply taking in too little energy, and thats dangerous.
Immediately start eating much more.
Not so much bigger meals, but much more frequent.
Whenever your energy level goes down a bit (even if thats already after 5 minutes)
you need to eat or drink something to up your energy level again.

With this diet you cannot just eat a few meals a day.
With this diet you constantly need to be in touch with your energy levels,
and feed your body extra energy level whenever it needs that.
Its so much different from a normal diet, where you can eat big meals that last for hours.
With this diet you will need to stay alert regarding how much energy your blood contains.
It sounds difficult, but its very easy once you have the hang of it.
Solely by staying alert, you will learn to listen to your body.
Whenever your energy levels go down a bit (feeling less energetic, or even tired / weak / depressed)
you need to take action immediately.
Joe wrote:I have 300-400 carbs a day.
What does that mean?
300-400 grams of carbs only?
No protein?
No fat?
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300-400 grams. I'm also eating protein and had had 1/2 gram fat for every carb. This fast heartrate started the day I started combining 1/2 gram fat for every carb. Before that, even 200 grams of carbs a day were enough for me to have a normal heartrate.

There must be something about combining 1/2 gram fat with 1 carb that did this. I've tried having as many carbs until I'm full (200 grams of carbs in one hour) throughout these past couple of days to fix this. it hasn't worked.

I still don't get why supplementing tryptophan wouldn't matter. It would increase the serotonin production factor percentage. But if that doesn't matter, isn't the serotonin production factor equation inaccurate?
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Joe wrote: There must be something about combining 1/2 gram fat with 1 carb that did this.
then more people would have noticed,
so it must be something else, or something specifically about you.
What exactly do you eat in one day?
(please list everything)
What did you use to eat normally?
Did your previous diet include little/normal/much fat?
I still don't get why supplementing tryptophan wouldn't matter. It would increase the serotonin production factor percentage.
Sure, but only on one side of the equation (meaning: "just a bit").
What helps much more is to take both sides of the equation into account
PLUS the issue about beta-carbolines.
Then you are doing something substantial.
Simply increasing tryptophan intake is not a quick fix,
as there are more factors at play (Leu, Phe, beta-carbolines etc)

You wrote:
Why not use a tryptophan supplement with low serotonin production factor foods?
Which means that you would improve the factor by adding tryptophan,
but make it worse by eating foods relatively high in Phe, Leu en beta-carbolines.
So, its not just about tryptophan.
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80g oj/40g oo about 4 times a day, only about 6 egg yolks. Before I was eating about the same thing only with no 1/2 gram fat added.

I've another question for you, Wai. Ever since I started this diet I noticed worse memory, and forgetting something I had just thought about sometimes. This isn't the first time that has happened. A year ago I was eating a lot of coco puffs and noticed even worse memory effects. Could this be because I'm not used to carbs? I have been eating 200g carbs for the past 2 months, but before that and for years, I had been eating very low carbs. 100g or lower carbs.
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"Sure, but only on one side of the equation (meaning: "just a bit")."

But that one side can make spf=100%, yes? So the equation is faulty?
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I just checked my temperature and its 99.4. I suppose that could be the cause of high heartrate. :lol:
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Joe wrote:80g oj/40g oo about 4 times a day, only about 6 egg yolks. Before I was eating about the same thing only with no 1/2 gram fat added.
I meant: "what do you eat normally".
So, can you please list everything that you eat on one day?
Could this be because I'm not used to carbs?
I think it has to do with too big fluctuations in the blood sugar,
as that greatly influences memory.
How many meals do you consume per day?
And how big are those meals?
Joe wrote:But that one side can make spf=100%, yes?
No.
its an equation, so that the other part is also important.
The other side of the equation is phenylalanine and leucine.
If that part is not good (your low spf foods), the extra tryptophan can only make up for that by swallowing dangerous amounts of tryptophan.
Particularly because you will also need to compensate for the inhibiting influence of beta-carbolines.
So, the trick is also in keeping Leu and Phe low and in the absence of beta-carbolines.
I just checked my temperature and its 99.4. I suppose that could be the cause of high heartrate. :lol:
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RRM wrote: I meant: "what do you eat normally".
So, can you please list everything that you eat on one day?
I'd have about 200-400g fruit about 4 times a day and 6-20 egg yolks at the start of the day and sometimes later in the day when I wasn't on this diet.
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Ah, okay, now i understand.
You are consuming way too few meals.
With this diet you need to consume some energy much more often.
Think at least 20 times a day.
Fruits contain lots of water and fiber,
so that when you are full, you have not ingested enough energy.
And if you have managed to do so anyway, then that energy will not last,
as its all easy to utilize carbs that are rapidly converted into glucose, glycogen, glycerol and faty acids,
so that your blood sugar level will decrease too much in between meals.
To counteract that, we eat lots of small meals throughout the day.

Keeping your blood sugar up all day will make you feel energetic and happy.
Just try it.
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I tried it but at the end of the day I had about 200 carbs all at once and got a rapid heart rate from that. I know I shouldn't have done that, I'm just wondering why did that happen? Why is it when I don't anything eat until the end of the day I get a rapid heart rate after eating then, too? Thanks.
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