Vonderplanitz - primal diet (& some Frisian)

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andyville wrote:Image

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Would you buy a car from this guy? Would you let him babysit your children? Would you trust his advice about diet?

To me he looks like a bad singer from the mid 90's, recording his own songs with really cheap sounding keyboard backgrounds, trying to promote his so called music by creating his own album covers in Photoshop (of which he lacks fundamental knowledge, apparently). He tells you his name is Vonderplanitz and that this means "man of eternal understanding of the ways of the opposite sex", but in reality he spent the first 36 years of his life in a trailer in Alabama, had an ordinary name, and led a peaceful, extremely white trashed life, until one day he changed his mind about his failing music career, and instead published a diet book. He tells you all the money he makes on the book will help starving children in Africa (which he thinks is a country, not a continent), but in fact he spends it all on taking Photoshop courses and smoking weed, to get some inspiration for his new book, published undet yet a new name: "Carpentry made easy - everything you wanted to know, directly from Mr Wunderspritz". And beware people - the cover will be even worse than the one shown above (I think I will have to do a Zen session soon, contemplating the question of whether a book cover could look any worse than the book above - boy is it going to be a long session).


Andyville, are you kidding me? He looks great. Lol
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His skin is a bit fluffy (swollen), dont you think?
(of course I cannot blame his diet that he seems a bit creepy to me :shock: )
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I think he has a lot of good points, but I don't agree with his idea that we should drink milk.



by the way, is raw butter a safe source of fat (I don't have acne)?

At one point RRM, you told me not to drink cream because it has to much protein, butter is churned cream so I assume it is the same.

do cream and butter have the same issues with opioid peptides like milk?
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It has been mentioned in the forum that raw butter is ok. Gavriel was eating it.
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johndela1 wrote:by the way, is raw butter a safe source of fat (I don't have acne)?
If you dont have acne, yes, its fairly safe. Im not sure about certain hormones though.
At one point RRM, you told me not to drink cream because it has to much protein, butter is churned cream so I assume it is the same.


I said that???
Butter contains very little protein.
There are many different types of cream, but generally the more fat it contains, the less it contains protein.
do cream and butter have the same issues with opioid peptides like milk?
Opioid peptides are very small proteins, and much less present in butter.
I dont know about specific hormones though.
Christina wrote:It has been mentioned in the forum that raw butter is ok. Gavriel was eating it.
Not if you are on the sample diet.
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Christina wrote:It has been mentioned in the forum that raw butter is ok. Gavriel was eating it.
I don't think Gavi is eating raw butter regularly, only on specific/special occasions or circumstances. The person who was/is eating butter (making it himself) is Brahmaloka, but for his IBS, and he's not on the strict diet anyway.
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I will try to do a 100% primal diet for one month (june) and see if it works for acne. I will keep my protein intake quite low/moderate though.

My diet will pretty much be consisting of the following:

Raw eggyolks, meat and fish (moderate intake, divided into 3 seperate
meals every day, rest afterwards)

Veggie juice. Made from celery, carrot and some leafy greens.

Avocado, tomatoes and cucumber.

1 sweet fruit (probably an apple most days) a day.

Raw, unsalted butter

Raw honey

It will be much like Wai, allways combining fat with carbs, keeping protein intake low/moderate, but with more fat, especially animal fats (mostly
butter) and less sweet fruits. No fruit juices or dried fruit.

I will report to you guys how it goes.

The reason I am doing this? It make sens to me to not eat that much
vegetable fat, and more animal fat. It feels better. Also, I am reading all
over the net theese days that saturated fats are really the healthy fats, while the "healthy" (poly)unsaturated fats are really the bad guys.
Also, allthough my acne has decreased a lot on the Wai diet, I have lost
a LOT of muscle, dont have energy to work out and feels miserable. If I try to eat more fruit, I feel sick, and it does not feel right to eat all this sickingly sweet stuf all the time. At the moment I am eating more avocadoes and eggs, and less fruit, which helps some, but I think reducing the fruits further and adding butter and veggie juice will (hopefully) do the trick.

Wish me luck! :)
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Sounds similar to the wai diet except for all the vegetables. I don't think vegetables are very digestible.

Why do you think adding vegetables will help you maintain muscle mass?
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It will be different to the Wai diet in many ways.

1. Veggies (only juice though, which is WAY easier digestible than whole veggies)

2. Raw unsalted butter

3. Some more animal foods (raw meat, fish and eggs), allthough
not high protein, but a little higher than the sample diet.

4. Less sweet fruit, no dried fruit and no fruit juices.

I think this will both help me to retain muscle (some more protein)
and make me feel better (less sweet stuff, except some raw honey).

The one food I really, really feel good after eating on Wai is eggyolk. And of course nice ripe avocadoes as well. The fruit and juice and olive oil makes me want tu puke.

Still, if my acne gets worse on the Primal diet, I WILL go back to Wai,
because at least it reduces my acne some (ok, quite a lot to be honest,
but still not enough).
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Update:

My diet the lasst few days have consisted mostly of:
1. 1 piece of fruit per day (banana or mango so far)
2. a few spoons of raw honey
3. About 250 grams of raw unsalted butter
4. Several avocadoes
5. Some olive oil, cold pressed
6. 4-6 glasses of vegetable juice, made from celery, cucumber, carrot
and spinach or parsley.
7. A few tomatoes.
8. 2-6 egyolks a day
9. Some raw red meat, how much depends on how much yolk, usually
some 40-50 grams.
10. Some frozen-raw fish (cod)
11. Some freshly squeezed lemons juice for taste.

So far I feel better than on Wai. I have spent a lot of time in the sun
(Vonderplanitz says its not a problem being a lot in the sun, that
being if one eats enough raw fat). I have developed a nice tan, without
getting burned, except slightly on my stomach, but that healed over night.

The acne on my back has reduced a lot! My face also seems to be all good, except some very very tiny, very itchy acne in my forhead. Almost like a rash. The sun? The butter? Saltwater swimming?

I will keep you all updated :)
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fictor wrote:1. Veggies (only juice though, which is WAY easier digestible than whole veggies)
Juicing veggies does not eliminate any anti nutrients. It just makes it easier on your mouth (less chewing); not on your intestines!
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Update:

The modarate acne/rash I developed in my forehead seems to be gone.
Some mild/moderate acne on my back, but much much less than on Wai.
Little or no acne in face and on chest.

The main conclusion being: Stay RAW!

It seems my skin can cope with a little more proteins than the sample diet,
some veggies and butter, providing it is raw.

I will keep experimenting, but as soon as my acne gets worse than it was
on Wai, I will go back to the sample diet. For now, I will keep eating the butter, but I will up my fruit intake to 1-3 fruits a day, instead of 1.

Also, I no longer eat frozen meat or fish, only fully raw.
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fictor wrote:It seems my skin can cope with a little more proteins than the sample diet,
Logically thats true for virtually everybody, as its a safe level.
For now, I will keep eating the butter,
Thats about the least bad munch food; its the least likely to cause acne. (as it contains very little protein, and hardly any salt, depending on what butter you eat)

Why no frozen meat/fish?
because of the taste?
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The butter I eat is no heated, no salt added :D

Vonderplanitz claims (no scientific backup though, as usual :) )
that frozen meat/fish protein is like 40% less in quality, and
that makes me think we can absorb less of it properly, making
more waste protein in the body. Also, as you say, it tastes better
un-frozen.
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fictor wrote:Vonderplanitz claims (no scientific backup though, as usual :) ) that frozen meat/fish protein is like 40% less in quality
I doubt that, because not even cooking has that big an effect on protein quality. Only frying does.
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