The crisis; sugary flavour in mouth, grumblin belly, candida

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The crisis; sugary flavour in mouth, grumblin belly, candida

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I'm really tired of this diet. :cry:

I hope this as a momentary feeling.

I'm really tired of all these fruits, I eat bananas, apples, pears, kiwis, orange juice, some dried fruits (like apricots, figs). I also eat nuts, like walnuts and hazel-nuts.

I ALWAYS have a sugary flavour in my mouth.

Other foods I eat are: avocado, fresh fish (raw farmed norwegian salmon) and egg yolks. But it's really too little. I don't like raw fish very much and I force myself to eat yolks (2 or 3) cause it's not such usual to me to eat raw eggs.

Sometimes I eat tomatoes (does all of you peel them?) and cucumbers.

When I ate pasta and bread, I had no sugary flavour in my mouth.
When I ate cooked meat I liked it much more than now.

When I eat egg yolks or fresh salmon I have to recite a mantra: "It's for your health, don't worry and go on!", but I don't like these foods, indeed, apart from fruits. But not so many fruits.

I don't eat with relish anymore and this makes me feel quite unsatisfied. :(

I've lost 4/5 kg., but this is not a great problem.

I've never suffered from Acne, my goal is to trying to cut CANCER (and other degenerative diseases) risks by means of a healthier diet.

Does this diet have consequences on cancer risks too, doesn't it?

I suffer from chronic gastritis, and I've always a coated tongue (white), but this is not attributable to this diet, as it was the same before starting this diet. Candida?

I'm farting all the day long, farting or feeling my belly grumbling loudly
(sorry, but I want you to know my exact situation). That of course is caused by my present diet, I didn't have these symptoms before.


Any suggestion?


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Post by nick »

This is a site about candida. Check it out.

Did you take antibiotics at any time in your life?
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1) - Candida
nick wrote: Did you take antibiotics at any time in your life?
Sure Nick. I took antibiotics some years ago to kill Helicobacter Pylori. I always had nausea and stomach-ache.

Simply they told me I needed to eradicate it, and I took antibiotics, following the therapy (10 days).

Now my stomach is well, no nausea, no stomach-ache (before starting this Diet, however), but I think Helicobacter not to be the guilty, but just one of the consequences.

If I do gastroscopy (I did it 3 times) they always find Helicobacter on my gastric mucosa (by means of a biopsy), but if I do Breath Test for Halicobacter Pylori, they find nothing. The same with stool test: nothing special.

I don't remember if my tongue was "normal" before taking antibiotics.

I think now I MUST BE SURE that my tongue problem IS CANDIDA.

Are there any test, I mean Scientific test (not to spit in a glass and see the result...) to assure this?

Ehi Nick, should I really determine my level of imbalance with a questionnaire ?!?


2) - The Diet

However my problem with this diet is that... "I can't get no satisfaction".
Yes, just like a Rolling Stone.

I like very much some fruits (like banana, or avocado and others) but not in SO LARGE quantity.
Also it's really hard for me to eat raw fish (or meat) or egg yolks and to renounce to some bread (or some pasta or some pizza).
I should have to constrain myself, but I don't know if this would be a good idea, and if it'd work.

And sorry. It's not hard, it's a torture. :cry:

I hope there is a "Middle way" from this Diet and my standard diet.

Maybe I could simply increase my fruits intake, and trying to cook my foods in the less dangerous way (which is it?)...
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Once Roman and Nick have replied again, Im going to move this thread to "Diet Dilemmas".
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RRM wrote:Once Roman and Nick have replied again, Im going to move this thread to "Diet Dilemmas".
That's fine, RRM, and don't wait for my reply, or you could consider my reply to be this one.

But please, don't insert Antibiotics or Candida in the Subject, since my first post has nothing to do with this. Rather than this, it has to do with other things.
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To accomodate you, I left out "antibiotics", but I did insert the keywords of your initial post: sugary flavour in mouth, grumblin belly, candida, because this board serves as a Q and A database, and each thread therefore needs to have proper description in the header.
Is that okay?
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Roman wrote:I ALWAYS have a sugary flavour in my mouth.
You can switch to a low-sugar version of the diet. see this thread: viewtopic.php?t=1108
But it's really too little.
Too little variation, you mean?
I don't eat with relish anymore and this makes me feel quite unsatisfied. :(
Maybe thats because your body tells you that this is not exactly the right version of the diet for you, as you have candida.
Does this diet have consequences on cancer risks too, doesn't it?
Absolutely, it cuts out all the toxins from your diet that can cause cancer.
I'm farting all the day long, farting or feeling my belly grumbling loudly
Nick has similar problems, and he has candida as well, so my guess is that you both need a low-sugar version of the diet that is low in fiber as well. As you are eating lots of whole fruits, your diet contains lots of fiber, causing the gasses. Diluted juices might be the solution to your problems.
And maybe you can try other raw fish that you like better?
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RRM wrote:Is that okay?
Yes, that's ok.
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RRM wrote: You can switch to a low-sugar version of the diet. see this thread: viewtopic.php?t=1108
I've seen that thread. I already eat tomato-cucumber-avocado salad, but eating it always (from monday to sunday and from January to December) is too much monotonous.

I always eat the same foods: Apples, Avocado, Pears, Kiwi, Banana, Orange, Walnuts, Hazelnuts, Salmon, Egg Yolks, Tomato, Cucumber. And since they're just 12 foods (and I can't prepare them in many ways cooking them), I'm eating them in large quantity and everyday. So, and it's very logical, they have tired me.

Maybe it's just a problem of mine. How many foods do you eat during the week?
Too little variation, you mean?
Yes, exactly.

Maybe thats because your body tells you that this is not exactly the right version of the diet for you, as you have candida.
Maybe, but maybe not.
Candida "experts" say that when you have Candida you crave for sugary foods.


Absolutely, it cuts out all the toxins from your diet that can cause cancer.
How could you be sure of this?
Did someone do research on this, by comparing people eating raw food and prepared food? And by measuring cancer incidence in both groups?
Nick has similar problems, and he has candida as well, so my guess is that you both need a low-sugar version of the diet that is low in fiber as well. As you are eating lots of whole fruits, your diet contains lots of fiber, causing the gasses.
Does he have Candida because they have examined a spit in a glass?
Is this Science?
Where, on Pubmed.org, could I find references to this test?
Diluted juices might be the solution to your problems.
Do you mean "diluted with WATER" ?
And maybe you can try other raw fish that you like better?
The problem is not the taste of Salmon, the problem is the taste of raw fish (and raw meat). I haven't the habit of eating raw animal food, so... which is the less harmful way of cooking? Maybe I could try a "step by step" approach...
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If I do gastroscopy (I did it 3 times) they always find Helicobacter on my gastric mucosa (by means of a biopsy), but if I do Breath Test for Halicobacter Pylori, they find nothing. The same with stool test: nothing special.
I take it the natural balance has been restored, so everything is fine there.

I don't remember if my tongue was "normal" before taking antibiotics.
How long ago did you start the diet?
How long have been on the diet?
And how long ago did you take the antibiotics and then started the diet?
I think now I MUST BE SURE that my tongue problem IS CANDIDA.
Most doctors, my General Practioner and a Ear, Nose and Throat Specialist told me I had a geographic tongue.
They could not explain to me how I got this thrush on my tongue only after the diet and after having taken antibiotics which can disrupt the natural flora balance in your body.

Any other symptoms that have surfaced since the diet?
Are there any test, I mean Scientific test (not to spit in a glass and see the result...) to assure this?
I did the spit test and was convinced that there at least something going on in my mouth. :o

Ehi Nick, should I really determine my level of imbalance with a questionnaire ?!?
Take it and see where you place on it.
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Nick has similar problems, and he has candida as well, so my guess is that you both need a low-sugar version of the diet that is low in fiber as well. As you are eating lots of whole fruits, your diet contains lots of fiber, causing the gasses.
Does he have Candida because they have examined a spit in a glass?
Is this Science?
Where, on Pubmed.org, could I find references to this test?
My main symptoms are swollen bowels, but no pain or major discomfort and the white thrush on my tongue. And now these dots in my eyes are resulting from taking some medicine that is meant to restore the natural balance. What happened is that some of the candida died-off and the toxins they have were released causing the dots in my eyes.

I don't know much about the credence of the spit test.
I saw a homeopath who sampled my saliva and analyzed it and told me I did have candida. She also knew I had taken antibiotics before too.
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nick wrote: How long ago did you start the diet?
How long have been on the diet?
And how long ago did you take the antibiotics and then started the diet?
I started this diet the first days of December 2006, but progressively, that is, at the beginning I had lunch with my family, eating the same things.

Now I'm trying to stay on a very strict diet. I just eat fruits, nuts, olive oil (cold pressed), egg yolks (our production) and salmon (farmed, Norwegian, the only I find here). No lettuce, no spices like chives or others.

I took antibiotics 4 or 5 years ago. This diet is a recent discovery to me.

Any other symptoms that have surfaced since the diet?
Yes, they're well described by the object of this thread. Just I don't know about Candida.

She also knew I had taken antibiotics before too.
Me too, I could guess that 95% of people had taken antibiotics before.
:wink: I's not so difficult...
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Just to insert a little bit:

The "I can get no satisfaction" feeling can very well be due to the "lack" of addictive substances and/or the getting used to eating less food per meal.

Aside from withdrawal symptoms, the mind will play tricks to get what it wants, the addictive substances (the "fix"). I always liked to eat potato chips, containing plenty of those, so when I stopped doing that, my mind made me think I really needed/wanted crunchy food.

Eating less (far less actually) per meal can give the sensation of "not enough", because the stomach isn't used to that yet. This will change over time.

The beginning is always difficult, like kicking a habit usually is. Talk to people who quit smoking. ;)
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Roman wrote:How many foods do you eat during the week?
When I started this diet, it was boring to me as well. Now I only crave for raw fish and the salad, and I always like to drink the juice.
My diet is extremely monotonous now, but I love it. (just OJ, the salad and raw fish / yolks, plus some bananas. Thats it)
Candida "experts" say that when you have Candida you crave for sugary foods.
At the same time, the body must 'want to tell you' that it prefers less sugar to be able to combat the candida better. Maybe a matter of mixed messages.

Did someone do research on this, by comparing people eating raw food and prepared food? And by measuring cancer incidence in both groups?
No, but we love to be able to do so.
how do I know about the toxins?
Studies have shown that cooking creates toxins from proteins and cholesterol. Not ingesting those toxins automatically means a decreased cancer risk, in as much as not smoking reduces lung cancer risk, dont you agree?
Do you mean "diluted with WATER" ?
Yes.
which is the less harmful way of cooking? Maybe I could try a "step by step" approach...
Im sorry, but im not going to support that, as this board is about a raw food diet, and not about a 'less cooked' diet.
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The posts that followed regarding dietary toxins (HCA's and oxysterols) and my response to smoking and lung cancer incidence have been split off here
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