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You are not consuming excess protein.
The Tropicana may cause some water retention though.
Can you not get frozen salmon? (its not that expensive)
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Hi sorry my internet was out for over a week :(

Well I have started to juice my own OJ, the effects have improved on my skin within 4 days. The only downfall is to make about 900ml of juice is almost 3 times the price of buying tropicana =( I cannot fit drinking 1800ml of juice a day so I think I'm just gonna drink 800ml, 12 bananas, 2 avocados, 10 egg yolks, 100ml of OO which works out to 400$ a month as opposed to 550$ if I were to drink 1800ml, this is something I can afford. 1 problem I'm used to drinking my bottle of OJ 1 for work and 1 for exercise, can I use something else for my workouts that is cost effective?

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RDA: FDA Men, 19-24YR, 72kg, 160lb, 177cm, 70in

Selection:
	[Item-1] 10units of Chicken Egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1],
	[Item-2]  12units of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
	[Item-3]  800ml (mililiters) of Orange juice (Citrus sinensis), fresh, not pasteurized, [1][2],
	[Item-4]  2units of Avocado (Persea gratissima Gaertn.), [2],
	[Item-5]  100ml (mililiters) of Olive oil (Olea europea), [1].

Weight:......................................2856.2700g

Constituents...................................Quantity..............RDA

Water........................................2101.85729g ..............?g  
Energy.......................................3843.00174kcal .....2900.00kcal  
Protein quality...................................29.89%
Protein........................................54.84031g ..........58.00g  
-Methionine.....................................1.02021g .......13mg/kg (FAO/WHO 85) 
-Cysteine.......................................0.80133g .......13mg/kg (FAO/WHO 85) 
Total lipid (Fat).............................232.16450g ..............?g  
Carbohydrate..................................423.16920g ..............?g  
Fiber, total dietary...........................57.56006g ..............?g  
-Fibre, wat. sol................................8.71919g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
-Fibre, wat. ins...............................13.18260g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5

Minerals, and trace elements
Calcium, Ca...................................439.06438mg .......1200.00mg  
Iron, Fe.......................................14.34599mg .........10.00mg  
Magnesium, Mg.................................618.00438mg ........350.00mg  
Phosphorus, P................................1367.98362mg .......1200.00mg  
Potassium, K.................................9178.04160mg .............?mg  
Sodium, Na....................................104.29130mg .............?mg  
Zinc, Zn........................................9.32004mg .........15.00mg  
Copper, Cu......................................2.66097mg .............?mg  
Manganese, Mn...................................3.00685mg .............?mg  missing items:5
Selenium, Se....................................0.09144mg ..........0.07mg  missing items:4
Iodide, I.......................................0.00837mg ..........0.15mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Cobalt, Co......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Chromium, Cr....................................0.00837mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Nickel, Ni......................................0.00837mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Fluorine, F.....................................0.00753mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Boron, B........................................4.14143mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 5
Silicon, Si.....................................8.37130mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Tin, Sn.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Molybdenum, Mo..................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Vanadium, V.....................................0.03114mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Chloride.......................................52.57097mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 5
Bromine, Br.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Aluminium, Al...................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Nitrite.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Nitrate.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid................592.40140mg .........60.00mg  
Vitamin B1, Thiamin.............................1.94961mg ..........1.50mg  
Vitamin B2, Riboflavin..........................3.24687mg ..........1.70mg  
Vitamin B3, Niacin, Nicotinamide...............14.82582mg .........19.00mg  
Vitamin B5, Pantothenic acid...................15.39776mg .............?mg  
Vitamin B6, Pyridoxine.........................11.00385mg ..........2.00mg  
Folate, total.................................762.53924mcg .......200.00mcg  missing items:4
-Folate acid (Vitamin B9).......................0.00000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:4
-Folate, food.................................762.53924mcg ............?mcg  missing items:4
-Folate, DFE..................................762.53924mcg_DFE ........?mcg_DFE  missing items:4
Vitamin B-12....................................5.16260mcg .........2.00mcg  
Vitamin A, IU................................6049.92160IU .............?IU  missing items:4
Vitamin A, RE................................1291.94296mcg_RE ...1000.00mcg_RE  
Total carotenoids.............................500.93760mcg ............?mcg  missing items:2, 3, 5
-alpha-carotene................................79.58000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
-beta-carotene................................569.17556mcg ............?mcg  missing items:2, 5
-gamma-carotene.................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-cryptoxanthin................................128.40060mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
-mutatochrome...................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-lycopene.......................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-lutein+zeaxanthin..............................0.00000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Vitamin D.....................................245.68000IU ........400.00IU  
Vitamin E......................................25.62148mg_ATE .....10.00mg_ATE  
Vitamin H, Biotin..............................34.60000mcg ............?mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Vitamin K......................................70.34179mcg ........70.00mcg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Tocopherol, total...............................4.49800mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
-Tocopherol, alpha.............................19.16676mg .............?mg  missing items:3
-Tocopherol, beta...............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Tocopherol, gamma..............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Tocopherol, delta..............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Tocotrienol, alpha.............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Tocotrienol, beta..............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Biogenic amines
Serotonine......................................3.46000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Tyramine........................................7.95799mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Dopamine........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Noradrenaline...................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Tryptamine......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Cadaverine......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Histamine.......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Putrescine......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Spermidine......................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Spermine........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Fruit acids
Salicylic acid..................................2.07600mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Volatile acid.................................108.82700mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Malic acid...................................1029.67088mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Citric acid..................................8873.58649mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Lactic acid.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Tartaric acid...................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Glycolic acid...................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Oxalic acid total...............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Oxalic acid soluble.............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Chlorogenic acid................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Quinic acid.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Gallic acid.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Succinic acid total.............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Acetic acid.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Ferulic acid....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Malonic acid....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Fumaric acid....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Pyruvic acid....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Oxaloacetic acid................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Alpha ketoglut. acid............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Caffeic acid....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Para-coumaric acid..............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Total sugar....................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Reducing sugar..................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Non reducing sugar..............................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Glucose........................................19.60000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 5
Fructose.......................................24.13166g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 5
Lactose.........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Maltose.........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Galactose.......................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Sucrose........................................36.34262g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 5
Xylose..........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Pentosan........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Hexosan.........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Pectin..........................................0.71993g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Inositol........................................1.59054g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5
Starch..........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Cellulose.......................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Polyuronic......................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Sorbitol........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Xylitol.........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Mannitol........................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Myoinositol.....................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Lipids

Fatty acids, total saturated..................30.98062g ..............?g  missing items:4
4:0, butanoic, butyric, tetranoic...............0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:4
6:0, hexanoic, caproic..........................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:4
8:0, octanoic, caprylic.........................0.01494g ..............?g  missing items:4
10:0, decanoic, capric..........................0.02910g ..............?g  missing items:4
12:0, dodecanoic, lauric........................0.04326g ..............?g  missing items:4
13:0, tridecanoic...............................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
14:0, tetradecanoic, myristic...................0.22349g ..............?g  missing items:4
15:0, pentadecyclic.............................0.02158g ..............?g  missing items:2, 3, 4, 5
16:0, hexadecanoic, palmitic...................35.01891g ..............?g  
17:0, heptadecanoic, margaric...................0.08466g ..............?g  missing items:2, 3, 4, 5
18:0, octadecanoic, stearic.....................6.11061g ..............?g  
20:0, eicosanoic, arachidic.....................0.05312g ..............?g  missing items:2, 5
22:0, docosanoic, behenic.......................0.06308g ..............?g  missing items:2, 4, 5
24:0, tetracosanoic, lignoceric.................0.01494g ..............?g  missing items:2, 4, 5

Fatty acids total monounsat...................87.53828g ..............?g  missing items:4
14:1............................................0.03984g ..............?g  missing items:2, 4, 5
15:1............................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
16:1, palmitoleic, undiff.......................5.61337g ..............?g  
17:1............................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
18:1, oleic, undiff...........................138.46581g ..............?g  
20:1, eicosaenoic, arachidonic..................0.41617g ..............?g  missing items:4
22:1, erucic....................................0.01494g ..............?g  missing items:2, 4, 5
22:1 undifferentiated...........................0.01494g ..............?g  missing items:4
24:1, nervonic, selacholeic, undiff.............0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 2, 4, 5

Fatty acids, total polyunsat..................16.22776g ..............?g  missing items:4
18:2, linoleic, undifferentiated...............20.92500g ..............?g  
18:3, linolenic, undifferentiated...............1.27717g ..............?g  
18:4............................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:4
20:2 n-6 c,c....................................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 3, 4, 5
20:3 undifferentiated ..........................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:1, 3, 4, 5
20:4 undifferentiated...........................0.72708g ..............?g  missing items:4
20:5 n-3, eicosapentaenoic......................0.01825g ..............?g  missing items:4
22:5 n-3, docosapentaenoic......................0.00000g ..............?g  missing items:4
22:6 n-3, docosahexaenoic.......................0.18924g ..............?g  missing items:4

Total sterols..................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Cholesterol..................................2126.46000mg .............?mg  missing items:4
Phytosterols..................................427.97772mg .............?mg  missing items:3, 4
Stigmasterols...................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Campesterols....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Beta sistosterols...............................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Total purines..................................0.06573mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Adenine.........................................0.03217mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5
Guanine.........................................0.02318mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 5

Others
Glutathione.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Lignin..........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Tannins.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Theobromine.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg  missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
I haven't been working out daily solely because the after pain last for like 3 days minimum. Gosh those squats! I made sure to not do so many because I know of the pain and how interfering it is to have sore legs, 4th day and they still are sore, but getting better. Also during this time of recovery I have caught the flu which resulted in my throwing up and not eating =( (no eggs for 3 days and not much fruit because of my low appetite), and to top it off my bank screwed up and I was unable to buy groceries so I ate little that day when I felt better, I lost about 5 lbs during that now I'm back to 122lbs... I wonder if this has any effect on my muscle growth, my muscles still are sore today, I had protein 8 eggs after my last workout.

overkees wrote:IF you have more muscle, your metabolism increases. So you will burn more energy in rest. You should therefore, indeed, increase your food intake. Maybe more added sugar for cost effectiveness
Hmm ok, I think also I'm gonna stop walking to work which is like an hour of walking.

RRM wrote:You are not consuming excess protein.
The Tropicana may cause some water retention though.
Can you not get frozen salmon? (its not that expensive)
I am 100% wai now, do you still recommend fish?



Ugh this is frustrating, trying to balance costs, weight, and making sure my skin doesn't suffer.
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Wow, how do you manage to put down almost 4000 calories?? I'm 158lbs and I can barely eat 2000-2500 per day..

I wouldn't stop the walking if you enjoy it (it's really nothing, 200 calories/hour)
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dime wrote:Wow, how do you manage to put down almost 4000 calories?? I'm 158lbs and I can barely eat 2000-2500 per day..

I wouldn't stop the walking if you enjoy it (it's really nothing, 200 calories/hour)
I don't know it's hard I literately and mentally force myself to eat, it's frustrating, I sometimes gag a little while eating... My body is very weird I don't know where all the energy goes it's mind boggling.
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Uhm, forcing yourself to eat isn't really useful, especially if your total intake is that much. It's easier if you drink and eat less fat/oil anyway.
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Oscar wrote:Uhm, forcing yourself to eat isn't really useful, especially if your total intake is that much. It's easier if you drink and eat less fat/oil anyway.
it's not totally forcing, it just mentally hard to eat, I think i'm just gagging because of bananas are really starting to taste like nothing or sometimes they just taste like chemicals (i know odd) I'm just really turned off by the food I eat and I feel like gagging. If I eat less I'm just gonna lose weight and I'm already very skinny I know this because everyone always tells me that, and I never been fat in my life, so when they say skinny they mean skinny.
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To clarify: I meant to say "It's easier to drink more than to eat more, and it's also easier to eat/drink more when you eat less fat/oil".
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Yes, when you need energy, the easiest way to get it, is by drinking juices.
If you need even more energy, add sugar and a few drops of oil.
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Ok I hate saying this but I fell off the wagon AGAIN, but on the flip side I'm getting used to walking around with terrible skin lol. Anyways thanks for the useful info guys always appreciate it, I think I will take less oil and drink more juices. I'm back to Tropicana for now anyways I cannot afford to juice but anyways, and gonna hold off on exercise for 3 weeks at least, gotta fix some stuff before I move on to exercise, I think I was getting ahead of myself.

I really hate this relapse BS over and over and I have been reading this book about poker which is some guy who's a psychiatrist who deals with the emotional downs and ups and it's effects on your game. His modules and plans seem very concrete and gave me deep insights about my game, he said you can use these approaches to other aspects of life, and I know these work well with my poker game so I'm gonna try them out such as writing down my thoughts and observations so I don't relapse again and fuck everything up. I think when I was writing my diet diary it helped me stay focused, so I'm gonna write a personal journal of my experiences with the diet and try to discover the causes of this relapse thing.

Sorry for my language :)
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ha ha :)
Dont beat yourself up.
Instead, try to learn from every failure, as every failure helps you to learn, and get better.
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RRM wrote:ha ha :)
Dont beat yourself up.
Instead, try to learn from every failure, as every failure helps you to learn, and get better.
That's exactly it, I'm very frustrated but yes I should be glad I can now notice these things and be able to learn to deal with them when they arise in the future before they get out of hand.
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I've gained 10lbs in the past week 120lbs to 130lbs :D
currently eating 8-10 bananas, 2avacados, 7large eggs, 1700-1800ml of OJ and 135-150ml OO a day. My skin has reacted a bit to this uptake in protein.
Hi pete.. are you still around?
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but your situation is pretty much the same like mine.. altho i think i suffer less than you.

You're 24 yo, 5"6' and 120-130 lbs. Food intake : 8-10 bananas, 2avacados, 7large eggs, 1700-1800ml of OJ[tropicana] and 135-150ml OO a day
I'm 29 yo, 5"7 and on the 131-132 lbs range. Food intake : currently 4-5 banana (med size), 1 avocado, 6 normal eggs, 1000 ml OJ and 60 ml OO a day (+15 ml raw honey, 1 tomato, 1 cucumber and 200 g sugar)

I think if you incorporate sugar into your diet, it will be much more kcal added... the OJ's gotta be pure though to suffice nutrient requirement. I don't believe in processed stuffs altho they said 100% pure.. (they do taste different, don't they?). Some brand even shamelessly put the OJ as "pure 100%", but taste just like an orange syrup... probably only the pulp that's remotely close to "pure".

kcal from tropicana can't be regarded the same to the OJ in Wai's nut calc.
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Yes, "100% pure" does not mean anything.
That may just mean 'water added to concentrate, so that the original ratios are obtained'.
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