I never drink OJ because I don´t like liquid food.dadasarah wrote:Did you try it with the OJ? That is more clear. You also must be hungry (lacking energy) for this to work. ...
I know that juice may be an important part of this diet..
Terence
RRM, what could be the reason that my muscles feel always very strong (and they ARE always strong) on a high animal fat diet without any carbs? Physical and mental strength are not only much higher (in my case) but also much more stable. Concentration and mood levels are phenomenally stable if I avoid all fruits. No 'balancing' and 'energy sensibility' is required. Furthermore I don´t loose muscle mass as fast as on a diet that includes fruits... Obviously you don´t need to eat any sugar to be very strong. Maybe your peak performance in high-speed activities like a sprint is not as high as with sugar but overall strength and endurance seems to be much higher, even while eating only once every 48h hours. That´s strange...RRM wrote:... But, that doesnt mean you should ignore your body's need for energy.On the contrary. You just need to know where to listen to.
Not to your stomach. But to your blood energy levels; your energy level.
To what extend the glycogen depots are empty you can feel by flexing your muscles. If they feel powerful, you are not lacking glycogen. If they feel weak, there is probably not much glycogen in the muscles.
Of course, we all NEED food to be alive. But there is a very subtle difference. 'Feeling a need for sugar' is very suspect for me. I don´t think that this could be a healthy condition. I guess that this is sickly due to an impairment of our system (insulin, pancreas, brain) etc...johndela1 wrote:That is a funny question. If you go by the strict definition of addiction (being physically or mentally dependent), I guess we are all food adicts and I guess hunger and low energy is our withdrawl. I don't look at food that way. It isn't something forms a tolerance. But like some drugs, you will get sick if you don't get food, but that applies to anybody, nut just people who sip OJ frequently.
I cant give you a percentage, because if you eat only 4-5 meals a day, it depends on your energy requirements how big those meals are. Also, how much sugar your body can tolerate in one meal, also depends on how easy to digest the foods are (how fast those sugar are taken up), which is also individually different.Seth wrote:In terms of percentage, what would you have to limit your carbs to? Isn't there a minimum that you need in order for your brain to function properly?RRM wrote:More fat and more protein (animal food), and salads instead of fruits. (avocado, tomato, cucumber, oil)Seth wrote:RRM, could you give an example of what and/or how one would eat in order to maintain the diet on 4-5 meals per day?
Ok, I agree that you need a lot of energy for this kind of activity if you 'run' really all the day.RRM wrote:Not at all when you do that all day. Then it requires lots of sugars.Terence wrote:'Speedwalking' is a somewhat 'light' activity.
I don´t understand. How can your stomach be full if you eat only small meals and juices? Even 4 bananas don´t fill our stomach.RRM wrote:No. My stomach is full.Terence wrote:Do you get stomach aches or other digestive stress if you eat a 'little' more solid food?
I now understand that our body can´t store energy from sugars. But he can do it perfectly with saturated animal fats. What does 'adrenaline takes over' mean? Do you get shaky or nervous?RRM wrote:No. Just very little energy. I wouldnt run. And when i force myself to, adrenaline takes over, and i loose muscles fast. (I have had a situation where i had no choice)RRM wrote:Would you get withdrawal symptoms without your bottle of OJ for, let me say 24 hours?
No, even 24h between fruits and meat are not enough. As long there is fruit somewhere in the GI tract correct digestion of red meat is impossible. Egg yolks and fish are much more compatible with fruits, they are somewhat 'lighter' but don´t give me so much physical and mental strength as red meat.RRM wrote:Of course you shouldnt eat them in one meal. There should be plenty of time in between them.
Because such a diet is high in protein as well, and particularly on such a diet, most of the protein ingested is converted into energy, and all the glucogenic amino acids are readily converted into glucose and glycogen.Terence wrote:RRM, what could be the reason that my muscles feel always very strong (and they ARE always strong) on a high animal fat diet without any carbs?
Consuming many small meals a day, you need to be much, much more aware of your energy intake and blood sugar levels to keep that stable. Consuming fewer meals, much more energy is temporarily stored as spare energy, and subsequently reconverted into available energy some time after such a meal.Physical and mental strength are not only much higher (in my case) but also much more stable.
Sure, because that way its easy, regarding blood sugar levels.Concentration and mood levels are phenomenally stable if I avoid all fruits.
Sure. with a high fruit diet its harder to get it right. Its easier to get it wrong, and loose muscles.Furthermore I don´t loose muscle mass as fast as on a diet that includes fruits...
Of course not, because most protein is converted into glucose anyway.Obviously you don´t need to eat any sugar to be very strong.
Its very natural.Terence wrote:'Feeling a need for sugar' is very suspect for me.
If you dont feel it, thats where it readily gets unhealthy.I don´t think that this could be a healthy condition.
Because you didnt do it right.Terence wrote:After I started this diet several weeks ago I was not able to do my work in my office any more.
No, its about taking in the energy that you need.your high level of physical activity may protect you against possible problems caused by sugar.
Stomach size adapts to regular meal intake.How can your stomach be full if you eat only small meals and juices? Even 4 bananas don´t fill our stomach.
It can: glycogen and glycerol.I now understand that our body can´t store energy from sugars.
No, not at all.What does 'adrenaline takes over' mean? Do you get shaky or nervous?
RRM wrote:No, even 24h between fruits and meat are not enough.
On what is this thinking based?As long there is fruit somewhere in the GI tract correct digestion of red meat is impossible.
If you want to know exactly what happens try it! But please don´t cheat, otherwise your results are not exact. Swallowing B12 pills is cheating, too. Nevertheless all pills are insufficient. Only people who don´t believe in God tend to believe that pills could be good. Nature is absolutely perfect. Deviation from our 'defaults' is always painful. And yes, most vegans cheat and eat grilled chicken occasionally. heheavalon wrote:Why hasn't everyone over at alissa cohen's Raw Food site keeled over dead, or other Vegans. Yes I've know what BeyondVeg says, but I'm not so sure you can't live without animal flesh. So pop a B12 pill. Is everyone cheating on animal flesh behind the livingroom curtain? Maybe. But I'm still not convinced. Could Gandhi manage it, no. But I'm still unsure, I suppose because I haven't tried it yet. And there seem to be people doing it even though everyone says it can't be done.
It depends. In all my experiments fruits became always disgusting after some weeks and I NEVER felt a need for any sugar. Other people on such diets confirmed this experience. This condition could be natural, too.RRM wrote:Its very natural.Terence wrote:'Feeling a need for sugar' is very suspect for me.
Talking about unnatural...Terence wrote:In all my experiments fruits became always disgusting after some weeks
That doesnt mean you dont need, or dont ingest it.I NEVER felt a need for any sugar.
Let us be clear about this:Even with very low protein intakes everything is very stable, no muscle loss. I have been on a high fat low protein diet (max. 40-50 grams of protein per day) for six months.
Feeling bad can be a perfectly natural warning.what in my opinion can´t be 'natural' or healthy if someone feels bad after eating 60 minutes no sugar.
Tropical forrests were not the natural habitat for homo erectus.even in tropical forrests which I have visited several times it´s totally impossible to find fruits on every corner, by the way.
RRM, obviously you don´t have any experience with meat diets.RRM wrote:Terence wrote:No, even 24h between fruits and meat are not enough.
Thats nonsense.
It´s no thinking. It´s experience and reality.RRM wrote:On what is this thinking based?
I'm still not convinced that killing other animals is necessary and Nature perfect. To me, Nature perfect would be living on fruits, nuts and maybe some greens. I am not even trying that yet though. I hear you on the pill/B12 thing. I have long abstained fron antibiotics and only under extreme circumstances consider headache remedies. B12 has been a thorn, but you know maybe years and years ago, man could get b12 from fruits. I don't know.Nature is absolutely perfect. Deviation from our 'defaults' is always painful.
I wasnt talking about meat diets.Terence wrote:RRM, obviously you don´t have any experience with meat diets.RRM wrote:Terence wrote:No, even 24h between fruits and meat are not enough.
Thats nonsense.
It´s no thinking. It´s experience and reality.[/quote]RRM wrote:On what is this thinking based?
I don´t understand what you mean.RRM wrote:Talking about unnatural...Terence wrote:In all my experiments fruits became always disgusting after some weeks
You should hear to your body, right?RRM wrote:That doesnt mean you dont need, or dont ingest it.Terence wrote:I NEVER felt a need for any sugar.
Yes, I have eaten max. 40-50 grams of protein per day for exactly six months.RRM wrote:Let us be clear about this:Terence wrote:Even with very low protein intakes everything is very stable, no muscle loss. I have been on a high fat low protein diet (max. 40-50 grams of protein per day) for six months.
No sugars, and only 40-50 gram protein.
What on earth did you eat?
I would agree but feeling drowsy and weak after 60 minutes without sugar intake as described by several members here is definetely not healthy.RRM wrote:Feeling bad can be a perfectly natural warning.
The better you are trained to listen to your body, the more you will feel.
Feeling nothing does not at all support your case.
It´s fine that you know it so exactly.RRM wrote:Tropical forrests were not the natural habitat for homo erectus.