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I really think we might miss out on so much happiness if we place looks and leanness in premium position. Yes, certainly, when you follow a diet that is very much the opposite of the mainstream 'wisdom' (how ironic!), you are keen to find people who identify with the same cause and who 'see the logic' of your chosen way of life (or dietary doctrine in particular). But, to me, I would be very cautious about narrowing my range of acceptable people/friends/dates/lovers to those who only follow the Wai way... especially since, as Avalon illustrated with his/her very personal anecdote, none of us is perfect, sometimes we can get out of shape and realise how unfairly biased we were towards those less aesthetically pleasing. Furthermore, there is always the chance that we end up abandoning one diet or way of life and replacing it with another, or else end up not as 'pure' or faithful in our adherence to what we once saw as a kind of euphoria-inducing religion. I, for one, don't quite have the confidence to say (yet) that I am definitely going to stick to Wai-ism for the rest of my life on this planet. So why should I exclude a potential life-partner just on the basis of their non-adherence to or intolerance of this diet?
Having said that, though, I am a teetotaller, a non-smoker, and a non-coffee-consumer, and I always have been - probably always will be, and that is definitely a factor in the instant attraction I felt for the man who is now my husband-to-be. He has the same views as I have about alcohol/smoking/caffeine, and his 'clean-living' approach helps a great deal in my desire for him. BUT, he does not follow the Wai diet, nor would he want to. He unconditionally accepts my dietary (and other) choices, but he himself has no problems with acne and is content to eat a relatively 'healthy' standard diet... so that is his choice, whether I agree with him or not. I would never try to force the Wai diet on him or make him feel guilty for being 'ignorant' or whatever.
Here's to everyone finding their own equilibrium, and finding their perfect life-partner (if they haven't already)!
Having said that, though, I am a teetotaller, a non-smoker, and a non-coffee-consumer, and I always have been - probably always will be, and that is definitely a factor in the instant attraction I felt for the man who is now my husband-to-be. He has the same views as I have about alcohol/smoking/caffeine, and his 'clean-living' approach helps a great deal in my desire for him. BUT, he does not follow the Wai diet, nor would he want to. He unconditionally accepts my dietary (and other) choices, but he himself has no problems with acne and is content to eat a relatively 'healthy' standard diet... so that is his choice, whether I agree with him or not. I would never try to force the Wai diet on him or make him feel guilty for being 'ignorant' or whatever.
Here's to everyone finding their own equilibrium, and finding their perfect life-partner (if they haven't already)!Curlygirl,
I totally agree with you. I first found Wai over a year ago (last January), right around the same time I opened my mind about eating. I really only read about consuming raw fish and egg yolk. But after researching many other avenues, one day in October i reread many of the articles on waisays.com and realized that this diet was perfect. So, i went 100% Wai minus the times I comprimised for friends/coworkers/family etc.
But your are right, i may change one more time. I may give up Wai for something else. But at the moment, I can't help feeling this way. Also, i feel strongly that if/when I decide to have children with my partner, I will really hope that they go 100% during pregnancy and during breast feeding. This is partly why I look for a partner that alrady has the Wai/wholistic philosophy. i can now say that I wish to never have children unless the mother is 100% 'clean'.
How do the men feel about this? if your wife/baby's mother isn't 100% wai/vegan/vegetarian, is that a problem.
And for the females, is it wrong for me to demand this from my partner? i would never force anyone to go against there own desires. But I mean, am I expecting/demanding too much?
I totally agree with you. I first found Wai over a year ago (last January), right around the same time I opened my mind about eating. I really only read about consuming raw fish and egg yolk. But after researching many other avenues, one day in October i reread many of the articles on waisays.com and realized that this diet was perfect. So, i went 100% Wai minus the times I comprimised for friends/coworkers/family etc.
But your are right, i may change one more time. I may give up Wai for something else. But at the moment, I can't help feeling this way. Also, i feel strongly that if/when I decide to have children with my partner, I will really hope that they go 100% during pregnancy and during breast feeding. This is partly why I look for a partner that alrady has the Wai/wholistic philosophy. i can now say that I wish to never have children unless the mother is 100% 'clean'.
How do the men feel about this? if your wife/baby's mother isn't 100% wai/vegan/vegetarian, is that a problem.
And for the females, is it wrong for me to demand this from my partner? i would never force anyone to go against there own desires. But I mean, am I expecting/demanding too much?
There was once a time when I said to myself that it would not matter what my significant other’s disciplines and beliefs to be because it would not come between us as long as our love is strong. However, in an almost recent and traumatic account in my life has led me to think differently. It was a turning point for me that I have finally decided against all my beliefs that I have held on before.
I have always led a healthy life. I never consumed any alcohols, never smoked, and I do not even take any drugs in whatever form (prescription drugs from pharmacies and such). However, a few years back, I was diagnosed with a condition that would have led me to lead a partially disabled life. The condition is degenerative and even with surgery the prognosis is poor. So apparently I thought to myself that living a ‘healthy’ lifestyle wasn’t enough for me. And I have always believed that by living a ‘healthy’ lifestyle, eating a ‘healthy’ diet will reduce the chances of contracting life threatening disease. It was right then that I found it to be a modern fallacy that was fed to us by the people who profited from our death.
The problem didn’t stop there. I started to give up on myself and grew careless in regards to my diet, because knowing that however healthy my diet may be, my life is not going get any better. Consequences from that had led my body to grow out of proportion, which eventually forced me to stop doing the one thing I enjoyed doing since I was a little girl. I felt my life was slowly slipping away. My imperfection has led me to my own destruction.
However, after being on this diet, I have never felt so much more alive. I am confident about my health even with the condition I have, which is thankfully getting better as time goes by. My newfound health has led me to be more optimistic about my self and about my health condition. Now, even after just turning 20, I feel like I have just begun to see life through the eyes of a child, as if I have been reborn to start a new life. It is a very rejuvenating experience.
My point here is that, I would want my partner to understand that however healthy we may be, it wouldn’t be entirely enough for us, and that by being ‘clean’ and healthy, we place ourselves above others, even if just by a few percentage. I would not certainly want my partner to experience the pain, confusion, and shame I went through in the past. And by having a partner who doesn’t follow this lifestyle, I will see my old self through him and even be reminded of my bitter and painful past. This is something similar in the case of Oscar’s cousin where, as an ex-smoker, he refuses to date a smoker because it would just remind him of his unhealthy habit in the past. Ofcourse, I cannot guarantee that by being on this diet would have my partner lead an absolute perfect life but it would at least give us a sense of security of knowing that we are doing the best we can in the aspect of health. I want him to feel in control of his health just as how I feel in control of mine.
Another reason why I would want a partner to follow this diet is because if we were to have children I wouldn’t want our children to be confused by their parents conflicting diets. I speak of this from my own personal experience. I would also most definitely want our children to follow this diet because, again, I wouldn’t want them go through the same ordeal I went through before.
I have always led a healthy life. I never consumed any alcohols, never smoked, and I do not even take any drugs in whatever form (prescription drugs from pharmacies and such). However, a few years back, I was diagnosed with a condition that would have led me to lead a partially disabled life. The condition is degenerative and even with surgery the prognosis is poor. So apparently I thought to myself that living a ‘healthy’ lifestyle wasn’t enough for me. And I have always believed that by living a ‘healthy’ lifestyle, eating a ‘healthy’ diet will reduce the chances of contracting life threatening disease. It was right then that I found it to be a modern fallacy that was fed to us by the people who profited from our death.
The problem didn’t stop there. I started to give up on myself and grew careless in regards to my diet, because knowing that however healthy my diet may be, my life is not going get any better. Consequences from that had led my body to grow out of proportion, which eventually forced me to stop doing the one thing I enjoyed doing since I was a little girl. I felt my life was slowly slipping away. My imperfection has led me to my own destruction.
However, after being on this diet, I have never felt so much more alive. I am confident about my health even with the condition I have, which is thankfully getting better as time goes by. My newfound health has led me to be more optimistic about my self and about my health condition. Now, even after just turning 20, I feel like I have just begun to see life through the eyes of a child, as if I have been reborn to start a new life. It is a very rejuvenating experience.
My point here is that, I would want my partner to understand that however healthy we may be, it wouldn’t be entirely enough for us, and that by being ‘clean’ and healthy, we place ourselves above others, even if just by a few percentage. I would not certainly want my partner to experience the pain, confusion, and shame I went through in the past. And by having a partner who doesn’t follow this lifestyle, I will see my old self through him and even be reminded of my bitter and painful past. This is something similar in the case of Oscar’s cousin where, as an ex-smoker, he refuses to date a smoker because it would just remind him of his unhealthy habit in the past. Ofcourse, I cannot guarantee that by being on this diet would have my partner lead an absolute perfect life but it would at least give us a sense of security of knowing that we are doing the best we can in the aspect of health. I want him to feel in control of his health just as how I feel in control of mine.
Another reason why I would want a partner to follow this diet is because if we were to have children I wouldn’t want our children to be confused by their parents conflicting diets. I speak of this from my own personal experience. I would also most definitely want our children to follow this diet because, again, I wouldn’t want them go through the same ordeal I went through before.
Huntress, I'm not sure what you meant by this:
It's a big world out there. With a lot of good people dealing with everyday life the best they can. Some follow Wai, some are fruitarians, vegans, varioius degreens of vegetarian, paleo and even perhaps frightningly Breatharians!
I had never even heard of Wai until googling last month. It rings true with me. I am not 100% as I've chose to bring some cooked meat back in for 'one' portion a day. I think I do it because it makes my life a little easier- a chicken will last an entire week and it's inexpensive. Smoked salmon is a quick fix.
Will I last on Wai? I don't know, but I now love raw egg yolks! Will it be easier to find a partner who agrees with a natural food plan, a resounding YES!
But it doesn't set me 'above' anyone.
Even though I am in sooo many other ways,,,perfect heh heh
Avalon
I don't believe the purpose of this approach to food is for anyone to feel "above" anyone else. It's to clear up acne, cellulite, lose weight and eat healthy real food. Will you live longer? Maybe.My point here is that, I would want my partner to understand that however healthy we may be, it wouldn’t be entirely enough for us, and that by being ‘clean’ and healthy, we place ourselves above others, even if just by a few percentage.
It's a big world out there. With a lot of good people dealing with everyday life the best they can. Some follow Wai, some are fruitarians, vegans, varioius degreens of vegetarian, paleo and even perhaps frightningly Breatharians!
I had never even heard of Wai until googling last month. It rings true with me. I am not 100% as I've chose to bring some cooked meat back in for 'one' portion a day. I think I do it because it makes my life a little easier- a chicken will last an entire week and it's inexpensive. Smoked salmon is a quick fix.
Will I last on Wai? I don't know, but I now love raw egg yolks! Will it be easier to find a partner who agrees with a natural food plan, a resounding YES!
But it doesn't set me 'above' anyone.
Even though I am in sooo many other ways,,,perfect
heh hehAvalon
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Hi James,
Yes, I do still drink tea, but not 'British' tea, i.e. no caffeine, no sugar, no milk. I'm a good South African girl at heart, so I drink our nation's favourite beverage, rooibos (red bush) tea, which is delicious just on its own. I find that this tea doesn't harm me in any way (including my skin), and in winter I really need the psychological comfort of a warm drink. I make it in a big pot and just drink it throughout the day (except after I eat raw yolks... then no fluids for an hour at least!)
Hi Rischott,
Thanks for your comments. In reponse to your question about women following Wai's diet while pregnant/breastfeeding, I think that as the father of the child, you should have some say in your wife's/partner's nourishment, since this food is the building material for the baby that BOTH of you created. What I mean is, you both made an equal genetic contribution to the child's conception, so you should, in theory, have an equal say in the sort of food it gets when it is growing. But, that is only in theory! I am not sure how many 'modern' women would agree to that, since, after all, the baby is in HER body and is therefore within HER exclusive domain of control. But I personally would consult with my husband about the sort of diet I follow while pregnant, because he may have concerns about my following a strict Wai-type diet, and I might need to make some concessions to keep us both happy and assured that the baby will get everything it needs. This is, however, only the sort of thing that I'll really be able to discuss with any authority WHEN I actually fall pregnant someday! Hopefully not to far from now...
Hi huntress
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I am amazed by your story. I hope that one day you might be able to go back to dancing... Also, what you said about doing the best we can to optimise our health is true, and of course (though I didn't actually say this in my last post), I would LOVE it if my partner would come to me one day and say, 'darling, you know I really think this Wai diet you've been following is brilliant/logical/marvellous and I've decided I want to follow it too... can you help me?' That would be the icing on what is already a wonderful cake, but until then, I am just trying to lead by example (in my own flawed, human way!)...
Yes, I do still drink tea, but not 'British' tea, i.e. no caffeine, no sugar, no milk. I'm a good South African girl at heart, so I drink our nation's favourite beverage, rooibos (red bush) tea, which is delicious just on its own. I find that this tea doesn't harm me in any way (including my skin), and in winter I really need the psychological comfort of a warm drink. I make it in a big pot and just drink it throughout the day (except after I eat raw yolks... then no fluids for an hour at least!)
Hi Rischott,
Thanks for your comments. In reponse to your question about women following Wai's diet while pregnant/breastfeeding, I think that as the father of the child, you should have some say in your wife's/partner's nourishment, since this food is the building material for the baby that BOTH of you created. What I mean is, you both made an equal genetic contribution to the child's conception, so you should, in theory, have an equal say in the sort of food it gets when it is growing. But, that is only in theory! I am not sure how many 'modern' women would agree to that, since, after all, the baby is in HER body and is therefore within HER exclusive domain of control. But I personally would consult with my husband about the sort of diet I follow while pregnant, because he may have concerns about my following a strict Wai-type diet, and I might need to make some concessions to keep us both happy and assured that the baby will get everything it needs. This is, however, only the sort of thing that I'll really be able to discuss with any authority WHEN I actually fall pregnant someday! Hopefully not to far from now...
Hi huntress
,I am amazed by your story. I hope that one day you might be able to go back to dancing... Also, what you said about doing the best we can to optimise our health is true, and of course (though I didn't actually say this in my last post), I would LOVE it if my partner would come to me one day and say, 'darling, you know I really think this Wai diet you've been following is brilliant/logical/marvellous and I've decided I want to follow it too... can you help me?'
That would be the icing on what is already a wonderful cake, but until then, I am just trying to lead by example (in my own flawed, human way!)...-
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I don't much care for the philosophical opinions regarding nudity. What I do care about is I work a lot of hours and read this forum from the office. Posts like that can get me fired. That is not cool.sula58 wrote:
Ha ha, I sense a cultural war coming on! Remember that Americans are very prude about nudity compared to Europeans. The only time that we are ever, ever exposed to nudity is on a pornographic level (which is silly, because such suppression just pushes our ideas about the body to new heights of sexualization, raising our desire for it)! As a result, we are taught to see nudity (and sex in general) as "dirty"--which is crazy.
So when I saw your picture (), I had to get over my "shock" for a minute before I could get the joke. Just be thankful that you are in Europe and won't need years of psychotherapy to address this issue...
In general, I also feel much more sensitive!! I thought it was just me (wow, I love this forum.) Am excited to start my new oranges and avocado diet.
Lets use some common sense people.
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This is a discussion forum, not a porn site.Oscar wrote:I'm sorry Ben, but did you not notice the topic title "Sex and the Wai diet"?
Sex is a perfectly acceptable topic. As well, a healthy sex life is an integral part of a healthy lifestyle. I don't think we need to be prudish here. Never the less, I think that the presumption is discussion will be tasteful and respectful.
Your post was none of those things.
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I can't think of a single major site (including major irreverant ones like Fark.com) that will allow the posting of nude pictures of any variety.Oscar wrote:The picture in my post was from a movie called "Monty Python and the Meaning of Life". Hardly a porn picture. Much less an indication of a porn site.
If you think my post was not tasteful and respectful, than that is of course your opinion. So far you've been the first to mention this though.
We can quibble about this all day long, but if I see anymore such pictures I will delete them. Your personal opinion is really irrelevant.
All I am asking is that you abide by the same rules of decency that are followed elsewhere on the internet.
Oh btw, you might not have noticed, since you don't seem to be on the forum that often, but I have moderator privileges too. So next time I would prefer you tell me if one of my posts bothers you, and then I will take care of it. Instead of just deleting it without notice...not so respectful in my opinion.
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Oscar wrote:Oh btw, you might not have noticed, since you don't seem to be on the forum that often, but I have moderator privileges too. So next time I would prefer you tell me if one of my posts bothers you, and then I will take care of it. Instead of just deleting it without notice...not so respectful in my opinion.
I have noticed. I've noticed how 11% of the posts on this board have been posted by you. I've also noticed that you have responded to each post of mine within 60 seconds of me hitting the "submit" button.
In this particular matter, I think you are acting like an immature child with a bruised ego.
This is not a matter up for debate. Any posts on this board that are considered objectionable on major sites on the internet will be deleted, and that includes yours. If you have a problem with it, email Wai.