Wait at least an hour after eating. It doesn't depends on what kind of food.
My opinion is that it depends on the condition of your teeth. On a regular diet teeth might be in worse condition, so eating many meals isn't so good. The question is whether diet influences the condition of the teeth or not, and if it keeps doing that after formation or not. My theory is that our teeth, if in good condition, shouldn't have any problems with the acidity and frequency. But since there hasn't been any research on this, it's all speculation.
Brushing, again in my opinion, shouldn't be necessary in an ideal situation. But since we aren't, we want to clean our teeth regularly. No need for toothpaste.
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summerwave
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I have been on this diet quite some time, and until recently wondered about my teeth. But it was because of malabsorption problems over a very long time, mainly- I have had food allergies, Candida in the intestines, and at times microorganisms/parasites that were all, ultimately, successfully treated.
About 2 years ago, my teeth developed a thin, perfectly white line encircling each tooth just at the gumline. My two front teeth started becoming transparent in their lower halves; greyish in color. I never had any tooth sensitivity.... the white lines were startling and seemed to involve nearly all the teeth, but especially uppers and lowers near the front. Some of the "grey" transparency (at one time it looked truly alarming, like I had blackened teeth) was attributable to a short-term cycle of blueberry and dark cherry juices, and was removed by a dentist, who remarked that I had some "interesting" discoloration of my teeth and that the front teeth showed some "decalcification" that was attributable to impaired nutrition, but which was nothing to worry about.
I have been brushing with Toothsoap for some months, but mostly cleaning as Oscar recommends on here, and brushing with the Toothsoap only about 5x/week total. My front teeth in particular have hovered between looking "okay" with a mild yellowish stain over them somewhat cancelling out the coloration disparity between upper and lower halves. I have done mild tooth-whitening at home at times; maybe 3-4 times in a year, and except for one visit haven't seen in dentist in over 8 years.
I have also, against this diet but very doubtfully, taken monosodium phosphate supplement, which is what some alternative dentistry, including Toothsoap, recommends. In the last few months my health has been great; Candida gone; on the Wai diet, and I have never used particularly acidic juices, though I also don't rinse religiously after each sip.
Amazingly, about a week ago after no incremental signs of progress-- just a sort of uneasy hovering in the balance-- in about a 3-day period, my teeth seemed to fill in in color, and now look healthy and opaquely white. I think there was decalcification due to nutritional difficulties, but it seemed astonishing how, with no short-term dramatic change in habits, mt teeth seemed to suddenly return to their previous state. There is still a thin opaque white line corresponding with the gumline around many of the teeth, but it is less obvious.
Many health problems, and their resolution, are not linear, and some solutions are unknowable. But I will say that the juice drinking did not seem ever to affect tooth enamel for me; the calcification has to due with the mineralization of the tooth deeper than that. There are no cautions in this tale; just the sense that one has to stay alert; do the right thing; not panic; search for solutions but perhaps be willing to live with some ambiguity. I also during this time (the last few months) ate a lot of yolks and went out into the sun for 1-2 hours midday despite a very cold, northerly climate; my habits improved though I had, and have, no proof it made my bones/teeth stronger.
About 2 years ago, my teeth developed a thin, perfectly white line encircling each tooth just at the gumline. My two front teeth started becoming transparent in their lower halves; greyish in color. I never had any tooth sensitivity.... the white lines were startling and seemed to involve nearly all the teeth, but especially uppers and lowers near the front. Some of the "grey" transparency (at one time it looked truly alarming, like I had blackened teeth) was attributable to a short-term cycle of blueberry and dark cherry juices, and was removed by a dentist, who remarked that I had some "interesting" discoloration of my teeth and that the front teeth showed some "decalcification" that was attributable to impaired nutrition, but which was nothing to worry about.
I have been brushing with Toothsoap for some months, but mostly cleaning as Oscar recommends on here, and brushing with the Toothsoap only about 5x/week total. My front teeth in particular have hovered between looking "okay" with a mild yellowish stain over them somewhat cancelling out the coloration disparity between upper and lower halves. I have done mild tooth-whitening at home at times; maybe 3-4 times in a year, and except for one visit haven't seen in dentist in over 8 years.
I have also, against this diet but very doubtfully, taken monosodium phosphate supplement, which is what some alternative dentistry, including Toothsoap, recommends. In the last few months my health has been great; Candida gone; on the Wai diet, and I have never used particularly acidic juices, though I also don't rinse religiously after each sip.
Amazingly, about a week ago after no incremental signs of progress-- just a sort of uneasy hovering in the balance-- in about a 3-day period, my teeth seemed to fill in in color, and now look healthy and opaquely white. I think there was decalcification due to nutritional difficulties, but it seemed astonishing how, with no short-term dramatic change in habits, mt teeth seemed to suddenly return to their previous state. There is still a thin opaque white line corresponding with the gumline around many of the teeth, but it is less obvious.
Many health problems, and their resolution, are not linear, and some solutions are unknowable. But I will say that the juice drinking did not seem ever to affect tooth enamel for me; the calcification has to due with the mineralization of the tooth deeper than that. There are no cautions in this tale; just the sense that one has to stay alert; do the right thing; not panic; search for solutions but perhaps be willing to live with some ambiguity. I also during this time (the last few months) ate a lot of yolks and went out into the sun for 1-2 hours midday despite a very cold, northerly climate; my habits improved though I had, and have, no proof it made my bones/teeth stronger.
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I have a follow-on question about teeth:
Since Oscar has cautioned about "letting sleeping dogs lie," and how it is often better to NOT disturb mercury fillings if they are not causing a big problem, I do have a question:
Many, many persons have fillings from an early age in the U.S., and many of these fillings "get old," are in disrepair, and fall out or are somehow compromised. (I haven't had this happen, myself, yet, and I have very few fillings).
If it is almost inevitable that at some time you will have to have fillings replaced, isn't it okay, and preferable, to disturb fillings before this happens and have them replaced with non-mercury materials?
What usually happens is that people need fillings replaced, and take that opportunity to choose a different material, whether or not they feel they've been affected by mercury or not.
My question is, if you're often going to have to replace fillings sooner or later, why not disturb them and not wait for this to happen? It seems to happen with some regularity, and people just have a dentist go in again with a different material. I've read so many cautions about not disturbing mercury fillings unless absolutely necessary, but it seems commonplace that they need to be replaced, so I am not sure why the cautions are so severe. Can you shed light on this, Oscar?
Since Oscar has cautioned about "letting sleeping dogs lie," and how it is often better to NOT disturb mercury fillings if they are not causing a big problem, I do have a question:
Many, many persons have fillings from an early age in the U.S., and many of these fillings "get old," are in disrepair, and fall out or are somehow compromised. (I haven't had this happen, myself, yet, and I have very few fillings).
If it is almost inevitable that at some time you will have to have fillings replaced, isn't it okay, and preferable, to disturb fillings before this happens and have them replaced with non-mercury materials?
What usually happens is that people need fillings replaced, and take that opportunity to choose a different material, whether or not they feel they've been affected by mercury or not.
My question is, if you're often going to have to replace fillings sooner or later, why not disturb them and not wait for this to happen? It seems to happen with some regularity, and people just have a dentist go in again with a different material. I've read so many cautions about not disturbing mercury fillings unless absolutely necessary, but it seems commonplace that they need to be replaced, so I am not sure why the cautions are so severe. Can you shed light on this, Oscar?
It all depends on the quality of the filling (not counting accidents). If a mercury filling is well made it can be fine for many years. IF not, replacing is a better option. Some dentists might also replace fillings sooner than necessary.
The choice whether to replace mercury fillings then depend on what you think is best. There are arguments ranging from mercury being super-bad to mildly bad, but personally I'd go for not disturbing if not necessary, unless health problems can be traced to the fillings.
The choice whether to replace mercury fillings then depend on what you think is best. There are arguments ranging from mercury being super-bad to mildly bad, but personally I'd go for not disturbing if not necessary, unless health problems can be traced to the fillings.
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Ah; thank you...
Update: I went to the dentist two days ago. He told me my teeth are still very damaged from the fruit acids. He insists I use a fluoride mouth-swish, even though he advise against fluoride pills or fluoride in drinking water (he has a background as an "alternative medicine" practitioner in addition to being a dentist). He says my enamel is very soft and rough, as opposed to hard and smooth.
It pains me to do this, but I have no choice but to blame this on the Wai diet. I am not saying it is impossible to do the Wai diet without damaging the teeth, but my teeth can clearly not take all the fruit consumption.
This diet really helps me with my acne-problem, but I am at loss about what to do, because having healthy teeth are obviously a great part of my over all health.
My plan for now is to consume less sweet and acidic fruit, more avocado, some vegetable juices for minerals and use the fluoride mouth wash. I have a new checkup with the dentist in 3-4 months and will report back to you guys.
It pains me to do this, but I have no choice but to blame this on the Wai diet. I am not saying it is impossible to do the Wai diet without damaging the teeth, but my teeth can clearly not take all the fruit consumption.
This diet really helps me with my acne-problem, but I am at loss about what to do, because having healthy teeth are obviously a great part of my over all health.
My plan for now is to consume less sweet and acidic fruit, more avocado, some vegetable juices for minerals and use the fluoride mouth wash. I have a new checkup with the dentist in 3-4 months and will report back to you guys.
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Did you get some sunshine too?
You live in a very tough place for sun exposure; vit. D...
It consumes a lot of time in winter for me to get out.
It sounds like a very clear diagnosis, in any case; and it is enamel, which is serious.
You live in a very tough place for sun exposure; vit. D...
It consumes a lot of time in winter for me to get out.
It sounds like a very clear diagnosis, in any case; and it is enamel, which is serious.
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keep us informed, Fictor....
I read RRM's comment about his willingness even to have his teeth capped (wow!); you know, I was at the same level of peace with that until my teeth seemed to remineralize.
It wasn't mostly 'cause of the diet for me; it was acceptance of the fact that I had malabsorption of nutrients due to another condition. It made me nervous to hear about fruit acids maybe compounding what was already an entrenched problem...but I didn't wnt to give up the diet, and I had already adapted it in other ways. I agree (for my part) with RRM that even capping my teeth would have been fine, since I mostly wish to feel better overall.
It never came to that for me, but we each try everything to try to do what the body needs--- and that is good.
I read RRM's comment about his willingness even to have his teeth capped (wow!); you know, I was at the same level of peace with that until my teeth seemed to remineralize.
It wasn't mostly 'cause of the diet for me; it was acceptance of the fact that I had malabsorption of nutrients due to another condition. It made me nervous to hear about fruit acids maybe compounding what was already an entrenched problem...but I didn't wnt to give up the diet, and I had already adapted it in other ways. I agree (for my part) with RRM that even capping my teeth would have been fine, since I mostly wish to feel better overall.
It never came to that for me, but we each try everything to try to do what the body needs--- and that is good.
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tooth mineralization and thrush
Dear Fictor, I wanted to note that when I had a heavy case of Candida that extended to the mouth, I seemed to have poor oral health.
Indeed Toothsoap when used at night made it worse, as it made the mouth extremely alkaline before bed, and not acidic enough to ward off Candida blooming in the mouth (on tongue, gums.) during the night.
I would wake up with a white-coated tongue, and a feeling of fuzziness over the entire set of teeth. I really wondered if this was interfering with remineralization of teeth during the night-- it seems it would. I stopped brushing at all at night, and this was slightly better, but my teeth still weren't very clean-- had coatings of things I had eaten during the day on them-- so it took awhile to get my evening procedure right.
I think if there is very longstanding oral thrush (candida in the mouth), this can seriously affect the process of rebuilding the teeth at night. I just wonder if this affected you, too, in any way you could observe.
Indeed Toothsoap when used at night made it worse, as it made the mouth extremely alkaline before bed, and not acidic enough to ward off Candida blooming in the mouth (on tongue, gums.) during the night.
I would wake up with a white-coated tongue, and a feeling of fuzziness over the entire set of teeth. I really wondered if this was interfering with remineralization of teeth during the night-- it seems it would. I stopped brushing at all at night, and this was slightly better, but my teeth still weren't very clean-- had coatings of things I had eaten during the day on them-- so it took awhile to get my evening procedure right.
I think if there is very longstanding oral thrush (candida in the mouth), this can seriously affect the process of rebuilding the teeth at night. I just wonder if this affected you, too, in any way you could observe.
Oscar: I am using the fluoride mouthwash, and it makes my teeth harder.
I am going to continue to use it, as of now.
summerwave: I too have had some white coating on my tongue, fuzziness on my teeth and bad taste in my mouth in the mornings. Yesterday I tried brushing without toothsoap, and my teeth felt clean, and "harder" than when using the toothsoap. I am going to do without it for a while, and see where it takes me. It sucks, seeing that I just ordered 2 more bottles of it for 100 USD (included shipping)
I am going to continue to use it, as of now.
summerwave: I too have had some white coating on my tongue, fuzziness on my teeth and bad taste in my mouth in the mornings. Yesterday I tried brushing without toothsoap, and my teeth felt clean, and "harder" than when using the toothsoap. I am going to do without it for a while, and see where it takes me. It sucks, seeing that I just ordered 2 more bottles of it for 100 USD (included shipping)
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I ultimately continued using Toothsoap but did a longterm treatment afterwards of painting the tongue with iodine-- for about 6-8 months-- at night.
It resolved the candida in my mouth. I also began using a children;s size, very soft brush and using the Bass method more consistently and carefully. I had a hard, large adult brush with hard plastic bristles that were ripping up my gums and probably abrading my teeth.
It feels amazing when one's teeth improve; you are feeling that....
It resolved the candida in my mouth. I also began using a children;s size, very soft brush and using the Bass method more consistently and carefully. I had a hard, large adult brush with hard plastic bristles that were ripping up my gums and probably abrading my teeth.
It feels amazing when one's teeth improve; you are feeling that....
just a little piece of my moms experience; she is eating and drinking a lot of sweet fruit and juices for about 2 years now (not 100% all the time but mostly). In the past she suffered from damaged gums caused by a too hard brush and bad brushing habits. She was tought to clean her teeth with toothpicks and/or those little brushes you use between the teeth (I have no clue what they are called 
) It made her gums and teeth become much more healthy (some damage can never be undone ofcourse 
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Then she started the Wai diet... She was affraid it would negatively affect her teeth, all the more because she is also drinking a lot of juice. But because of that she always uses a straw when she drinks, and always rinses her mouth with water after eating something. Once a day she brushes her teeth with, indeed, a very soft brush (she used to use a children's brush, just like summerwave, but she can't find them here anymore) and EV coconut oil. And she cleans her teeth once in a while with those small little brushes that you use between your teeth (toothpicks and brushes in one). She does all this for about 1,5-2 years or so.
The last few times she went to see a dentist she was told her teeth looked perfect, better then ever before. No erosion or nothing. Her teeth are smooth and her gums are healthy.
She has always had very sensitive teeth and gums, but since she uses a different cleaning routine and the coconut oil it is much improved. She sometimes has an inflammation, but when she treats it with some extra coconut oil it disapears very quickly.
I used the toothsoap in the past, but I don't like it. I now also use coconut oil. It suits me much better then any kind of toothpaste/soap/..... I think it protects the enamel, but this is just my feeling ofcourse. My teeth are in a very bad condition because of my eating disorder in the past, so my teeth are already doomed to begin with Nevertheless the coconut oil realy feels good on my teeth. It makes them extremely smooth. Also, I find it reduces the bad taste in my mouth I also sometimes have in the morning (because CO reduces the bacterial growth in the mouth???) (I brush my teeth before I go to bed)
) It made her gums and teeth become much more healthy (some damage can never be undone ofcourse )Then she started the Wai diet... She was affraid it would negatively affect her teeth, all the more because she is also drinking a lot of juice. But because of that she always uses a straw when she drinks, and always rinses her mouth with water after eating something. Once a day she brushes her teeth with, indeed, a very soft brush (she used to use a children's brush, just like summerwave, but she can't find them here anymore) and EV coconut oil. And she cleans her teeth once in a while with those small little brushes that you use between your teeth (toothpicks and brushes in one). She does all this for about 1,5-2 years or so.
The last few times she went to see a dentist she was told her teeth looked perfect, better then ever before. No erosion or nothing. Her teeth are smooth and her gums are healthy.
She has always had very sensitive teeth and gums, but since she uses a different cleaning routine and the coconut oil it is much improved. She sometimes has an inflammation, but when she treats it with some extra coconut oil it disapears very quickly.
I used the toothsoap in the past, but I don't like it. I now also use coconut oil. It suits me much better then any kind of toothpaste/soap/..... I think it protects the enamel, but this is just my feeling ofcourse. My teeth are in a very bad condition because of my eating disorder in the past, so my teeth are already doomed to begin with
Nevertheless the coconut oil realy feels good on my teeth. It makes them extremely smooth. Also, I find it reduces the bad taste in my mouth I also sometimes have in the morning (because CO reduces the bacterial growth in the mouth???) (I brush my teeth before I go to bed)-
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I tried that too; it seems to leave the breath very sweet (a good feeling).
The major component (and antifungal part) of coconut oil is caprylic acid; I do not know (as chemistry is not a strong suit of mine) if it is acid in the sense it is harmful to teeth.
If you buy medium chain triglycerides, for example ("MCT oil," a purified form of coconut oil's fats) it is felt better to buy it in glass jars by some, as it can leach chemicals or metal from plastic or metal containers.
Again, I don't really know about this. I am using up a supply of Toothsoap and occasionally do brush with coconut oil but I had the above question. Also, the softness/small size of my toothbrush type has affected my mouth a lot. The large hard ones with the specially-angled/various-height bristles seem to really rip up my mouth and affect my teeth and gums negatively. That has been a huge factor I also corrected.
The major component (and antifungal part) of coconut oil is caprylic acid; I do not know (as chemistry is not a strong suit of mine) if it is acid in the sense it is harmful to teeth.
If you buy medium chain triglycerides, for example ("MCT oil," a purified form of coconut oil's fats) it is felt better to buy it in glass jars by some, as it can leach chemicals or metal from plastic or metal containers.
Again, I don't really know about this. I am using up a supply of Toothsoap and occasionally do brush with coconut oil but I had the above question. Also, the softness/small size of my toothbrush type has affected my mouth a lot. The large hard ones with the specially-angled/various-height bristles seem to really rip up my mouth and affect my teeth and gums negatively. That has been a huge factor I also corrected.