We have already been raising cows and horses here in the Old World, for a long time! At least until mass urbanization took place and plant-based diets started being pushed. A great part of Europe has always relied on milk and dairy.Aytundra wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2019 17:14Perhaps if Genghis Khan was successful, we would all be raising cows and horses in the old world.
The problem is that these tribes of people did not have an exceptionally long lifespan. That is why they have not gotten any blue zone awards.
Places like "Blue Zones" (a term he trademarked: Okinawa (Japan); Sardinia (Italy); Nicoya (Costa Rica); Icaria (Greece); and among the Seventh-day Adventists in Loma Linda, California." (from wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone)
The diet here seeks to find foods that promote an infinite lifespan.
On the Blue Zones, I don't know if you're arguing for or against, but it's simply the biggest lie in nutrition. Just research Okinawan and Sardinian cuisines. Virtually all dishes are animal food based. There are barely any vegan dishes. It's pure vegan propaganda, from a guy who's a fake-meat investor. He took the information on what those peoples ate in the post-WW2 famine period and tried to promote it as their normal diets (except maybe for the Adventists.)
The Maasai and Mongolians don't have exceptionally long lifespans because, just like most other traditional peoples, are under constant attack by the government. And they also live in very harsh environments. Some even turn to drugs, alcohol, smoking, even bad diets. While the quasi-vegan 7th day adventists live in socially tight communities, in pleasant and safe (and non-toxic) environments, and don't poison themselves too often. The Innuit are also a fine example of this dicotomy.
I don't doubt that one can be healthy on milk, all these populations truly prove that, yet many were also healthy eating (properly fermented) grains. Radiation, pollution and chemicals are much more detrimental than any bad natural food. I still find some value in RRM's claims. Dairy has much less calcium than milk, and probably much less growth hormones in the case of cheese and butter (not sure about this). In my opinion we should rely more on cheese and butter (and eggs), because they truly are much more sustainable than meat. An intentional commune of people relying on these would be a very financially stable and leisurely intentional commune, unlike the current vegan hippie ones where they have to break their backs to grow a few pounds of (nutritionally useless) potatoes.