What do you eat exactly?Kookaburra wrote:Consider this: I eat a bunch of different fruits, a few cups of OJ with OO, and animal food.
Then we can see what is missing, and how we can solve that most efficiently.
What do you eat exactly?Kookaburra wrote:Consider this: I eat a bunch of different fruits, a few cups of OJ with OO, and animal food.
You mean this example?Kookaburra wrote: Turns out that in the example I gave, even though one consume adequate energy on the Wai diet
Didnt you read my response?kookaburra wrote:RDA: FDA Men, 19-24yr (177cm/70in, 72kg/160lb)
Your selection:
[Item 1] 2units of Mango (Magnifera indica L.), [1][2],
[Item 2] 2units of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
[Item 3] 2units of Apple (Malus sylvestris), no skin, [1],
[Item 4] 3units of Kiwi (Actinidia chinensis), [1],
[Item 5] 2cups of Orange juice (Citrus sinensis), fresh, not pasteurized, [1][2],
[Item 6] 7units of Brazil nut (Bertholletia excelsa), dried, unblanched,
RRM wrote:Your selection yields only 1204 kcal, which is way too little.
If one would expand your selection to yielding 3000 kcal, (10 bananas, 2 mangoes, 3 kiwis, 4 apples, 2 L orange juice, 10 Brazil nuts)
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Fair enough. Consider this: I eat a bunch of different fruits, a few cups of OJ with OO, and animal food. The calculator says that my energy intake is still not adequate(2500kcal) which also means that I haven't met all the requirements for nutrients. I still need 500kcal to reach adequate energy levels.
I then eat about 150g to 200g of table sugar. Now my energy requirements are met but can that be said for nutrients since sugar is 'empty calories'?
As you can see above, I eat 4 different types of fruits, olive oil and animal food. That's an example of a Wai diet. Nutrient calculator says that total energy is 2504.36043kcal.RDA: FDA Men, 19-24YR, 72kg, 160lb, 177cm, 70in
Selection:
[Item-1] 2units of Chicken Egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1],
[Item-2] 1units, medium of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
[Item-3] 7table spoons of Olive oil (Olea europea), [1],
[Item-4] 3cups of Orange juice (Citrus sinensis), fresh, not pasteurized, [1][2],
[Item-5] 1units, medium of Muskmelon (Cucumis melo), reticulatus grp, cantaloupe-US, [1][2],
[Item-6] 3units of Avocados (Persea americana), California, [1].
So based on that, because my energy intake is still 500kcal short of recommended , I haven't meet all nutrients' requirements.RRM wrote:No, its based on adequate energy intake.Kookaburra wrote: I thought the Wai diet provides all the nutrients that you need even though your calorie intake is lower.
This would yield 2695 kcal,RDA: FDA Men, 19-24YR, 72kg, 160lb, 177cm, 70in
Selection:
[Item-1] 3units of Chicken Egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1],
[Item-2] 4units, medium of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
[Item-3] 11cups of Orange juice (Citrus sinensis), fresh, not pasteurized, [1][2],
[Item-4] 1units, medium of Muskmelon (Cucumis melo), reticulatus grp, cantaloupe-US, [1][2],
[Item-5] 3units of Avocados (Persea americana), California, [1].
Sure, by consuming substantial amounts of oil and sugar on a low calorie diet, you can take out relatively much nutrients.So to conclude, my energy intake is adequate. The food that I eat are all part of Wai. Yet, the Wai diet doesn't provide all the nutrients that I need, which renders your view that 'it's based on adequate energy intake' false.
Since I am not physically active, what's wrong with a high in fat version of Wai?RRM wrote: Your example is about when you need only 3000 kcal / day.
This means that in this example, you are not physically active.
If you are not physically active, you dont need any sugar for the extra energy.
Also, you are consuming too little egg yolk; men minimally need 3.
Also, this version of the diet is too high in fat; even without any oil, the ratio is: 135g fat vs : 113 g carbs.
So, to fix the above, and to get a 1 g fat vs 2 g. sugars ratio (so that you will feel more energetic),
this could be your diet:
How do you know this version of the diet provides balanced nutrients? The nutrient calculator has so many "?g no data:3" values.RRM wrote:This would yield 2695 kcal,RDA: FDA Men, 19-24YR, 72kg, 160lb, 177cm, 70in
Selection:
[Item-1] 3units of Chicken Egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1],
[Item-2] 4units, medium of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
[Item-3] 11cups of Orange juice (Citrus sinensis), fresh, not pasteurized, [1][2],
[Item-4] 1units, medium of Muskmelon (Cucumis melo), reticulatus grp, cantaloupe-US, [1][2],
[Item-5] 3units of Avocados (Persea americana), California, [1].
so that you could eat an extra banana and drink an extra cup of OJ, with some oil (15 g),
or maybe you could add a little sugar (38 grams) if you will and some oil (17 gram) to get to the 3000 kcal,
and still be in balance.
So I have to re-structure my diet in such a way that the total sugar:fat ratio is 2:1?RRM wrote: Sure, by consuming substantial amounts of oil and sugar on a low calorie diet, you can take out relatively much nutrients.
The more oil and sugar you consume, the more vitamins and minerals are eliminated, but that is not our goal here.
Thats not what this diet is about.
We dont use sugar and oil to eliminate nutrients,
No, we use oil to bring this diet into balance regarding the fat:sugar ratio,
and we use sugar to get the extra energy when you are physically active,
when it may be a bit hard to get that extra energy from eating fruits and animal food and drinking juices alone.
Our general guideline for fat vs sugar is 1 : 2Kookaburra wrote:Since I am not physically active, what's wrong with a high in fat version of Wai?RRM wrote: Also, this version of the diet is too high in fat; even without any oil, the ratio is: 135g fat vs : 113 g carbs.
I checked the calculator.kookaburra wrote: How do you know this version of the diet provides balanced nutrients?
That just means that it has not been measured how much of that specific nutrient is contained in that food.The nutrient calculator has so many "?g no data:3" values.
You just need to leave out the oil,So I have to re-structure my diet in such a way that the total sugar:fat ratio is 2:1?
Is this version of the Wai diet similar to a ketogenic diet?RRM wrote:
Also, this version of the diet is too high in fat; even without any oil, the ratio is: 135g fat vs : 113 g carbs.